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Subject: [sca-bpel] Raw chat from SCA BPEL TC Telcon Sept 25, 2008
anonymous morphed into anish Room information was updated by: anish Dial-in:1-888-967-2253+1-650-607-2253+61-2-8817-6100+44-118-924-9000Meeting ID: 877770Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735) Please change your name from 'anonymous' using the Settings button anonymous morphed into Najeeb Andrabi Najeeb Andrabi: SCA-BPEL Weekly meeting has been modified by Dr. Anish Karmarkar Date: Thursday, 25 September 2008Time: 08:00am - 09:00am PTEvent Description:Dial-in:1-888-967-2253+1-650-607-2253+61-2-8817-6100+44-118-924-9000Meeting ID: 877770Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735)Web-conf: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-bpel-TCAcrobat connect room URL: http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/scabpel/Agenda:1. Roll Callhttp://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php2. Appointment of scribeScribe list attached below3. Agenda bashing4. Approval of Sep 18, 2008 minuteshttp://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00017.html5. Action items reviewhttp://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.phpa) AI #0021Martin Chapman - to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository Done. Docs uploaded but SCA b) AI #0045Martin Chapman - Make a proposal for issue 18c) AI #0046Michael Rowley - update JIRA based on revision log at the end of the spec6. Issue 18 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18TITLE- Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119 keywords/statements Email discussion:http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00004.htmlhttp://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00010.html7. AOB-----------------------------------------Scribe list:* Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb (10/4/07, 2/14/08, 3/27/08, 5/8/0 * Chapman, Dr Martin (9/7/07, 12/13/07, 2/28/08, 5/15/0 * Kand, Khanderao (9/20/07, 1/31/08, 4/10/08, 7/10/0 * van der Rijn, Danny (12/06/07, 5/22/08, 6/19/08, 7/24/0 * Koenig, Mr Dieter (10/25/07, 1/10/08, 3/13/08, 4/24/08, 7/31/0 * Rowley, Mr Michael (9/27/07, 2/7/08, 9/11/0 * Malhotra, Mr Ashok (11/29/07, 2/21/08, 5/1/08, 5/29/08, 9/18/0 Minutes:This event is one in a list of recurring events.Other event dates in this series:Thursday, 27 September 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 04 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 11 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 18 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 25 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 01 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 08 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 15 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 22 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 29 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 06 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 13 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 20 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 27 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 03 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 10 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 17 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 24 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 31 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 07 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 14 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 21 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 28 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 06 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 13 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 20 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 27 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 03 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 10 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 17 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 24 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 08 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 15 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 22 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 29 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 05 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 12 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 19 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 26 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 03 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 10 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 17 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 24 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 31 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 07 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 14 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 21 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 28 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 04 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 11 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTThursday, 18 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PTView event details:http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/event.php?event_id=16273PLEASE NOTE: If the above link does not work for you, your emailapplication may be breaking the link into two pieces. You may be able tocopy and paste the entire link address into the address field of your webbrowser. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Additional item: If we want to have call next week. Najeeb Andrabi: Agenda with the change described above is approved Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting minutes approved for the last call. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0021 still open. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0045 is also open. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0046 discussion Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: All issues closed/resolved but Issue #8 was not closed. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: We should close this issue #8 unless other TC change the version number. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley moves to close issue # 8. Najeeb Andrabi: version number is for sca-bpel. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C seconds. Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved: issue #8 is closed. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0046 closed. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin moves to cancel next weeks call. Najeeb Andrabi: Danny seconds. Najeeb Andrabi: motion approved. Najeeb Andrabi: Next weeks call cancelled. Najeeb Andrabi: Issue #18 discussion: Martin C: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/email/archives/200809/msg00019.html Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Proposal is good but we should understand ramification of this proposal. Najeeb Andrabi: We should relax the statements on what is testable and what is not. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C: Agrees so environments might generate component type file in a different manner. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C: We can still to static type checking. Martin C: we dont want to require all design tools to understand how to introspect all c+i files, but they may do Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Introspected component type must be conformant as it must follow rules specified. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: If a non-conformant component type is created then it is tool/user error. Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: moves to accept this proposal. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconds Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley proposes an amendment to the proposal Najeeb Andrabi: conformance tests can be done as deployment. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley withdraws the amendment. Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: Assembly specification should handle this. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we can add there is no restriction to when it is testable. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Agrees with Danny that we should leave this to assembly specification. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman: Assembly specification already has rules for SCDL. Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Is the goal to reject a effective component type file at runtime? Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we should re-write section 2.1 with introspection rules. Najeeb Andrabi: AI#45 transferred to Michael Rowley (Only section 2.1) Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley moves to adjourn meeting. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconds Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting adjourned. |
anonymous morphed into anish Room information was updated by: anish Dial-in: 1-888-967-2253 +1-650-607-2253 +61-2-8817-6100 +44-118-924-9000 Meeting ID: 877770 Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735) Please change your name from 'anonymous' using the Settings button anonymous morphed into Najeeb Andrabi Najeeb Andrabi: SCA-BPEL Weekly meeting has been modified by Dr. Anish Karmarkar Date: Thursday, 25 September 2008 Time: 08:00am - 09:00am PT Event Description: Dial-in: 1-888-967-2253 +1-650-607-2253 +61-2-8817-6100 +44-118-924-9000 Meeting ID: 877770 Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735) Web-conf: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/sca-bpel-TC Acrobat connect room URL: http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/scabpel/ Agenda: 1. Roll Call http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php 2. Appointment of scribe Scribe list attached below 3. Agenda bashing 4. Approval of Sep 18, 2008 minutes http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00017.html 5. Action items review http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php a) AI #0021 Martin Chapman - to follow up with Mary to post the CD docs to OASIS repository Done. Docs uploaded but SCA BPEL NS is not live yet. b) AI #0045 Martin Chapman - Make a proposal for issue 18 c) AI #0046 Michael Rowley - update JIRA based on revision log at the end of the spec 6. Issue 18 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-18 TITLE- Need to rewrite the SCA-BPEL specifications with RFC-2119 keywords/statements Email discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00004.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200809/msg00010.html 7. AOB ----------------------------------------- Scribe list: * Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb (10/4/07, 2/14/08, 3/27/08, 5/8/0: 4 * Chapman, Dr Martin (9/7/07, 12/13/07, 2/28/08, 5/15/0: 4 * Kand, Khanderao (9/20/07, 1/31/08, 4/10/08, 7/10/0: 4 * van der Rijn, Danny (12/06/07, 5/22/08, 6/19/08, 7/24/0: 4 * Koenig, Mr Dieter (10/25/07, 1/10/08, 3/13/08, 4/24/08, 7/31/0: 5 * Rowley, Mr Michael (9/27/07, 2/7/08, 9/11/0: Issues Editor * Malhotra, Mr Ashok (11/29/07, 2/21/08, 5/1/08, 5/29/08, 9/18/0: 5 Minutes: This event is one in a list of recurring events. Other event dates in this series: Thursday, 27 September 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 04 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 11 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 18 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 25 October 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 01 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 08 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 15 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 22 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 29 November 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 06 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 13 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 20 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 27 December 2007, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 03 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 10 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 17 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 24 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 31 January 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 07 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 14 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 21 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 28 February 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 06 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 13 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 20 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 27 March 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 03 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 10 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 17 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 24 April 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 08 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 15 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 22 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 29 May 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 05 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 12 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 19 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 26 June 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 03 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 10 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 17 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 24 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 31 July 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 07 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 14 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 21 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 28 August 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 04 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 11 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT Thursday, 18 September 2008, 08:00am to 09:00am PT View event details: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/event.php?event_id=16273 PLEASE NOTE: If the above link does not work for you, your email application may be breaking the link into two pieces. You may be able to copy and paste the entire link address into the address field of your web browser. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Additional item: If we want to have call next week. Najeeb Andrabi: Agenda with the change described above is approved Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting minutes approved for the last call. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0021 still open. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0045 is also open. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0046 discussion Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: All issues closed/resolved but Issue #8 was not closed. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: We should close this issue #8 unless other TC change the version number. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley moves to close issue # 8. Najeeb Andrabi: version number is for sca-bpel. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C seconds. Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved: issue #8 is closed. Najeeb Andrabi: AI #0046 closed. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin moves to cancel next weeks call. Najeeb Andrabi: Danny seconds. Najeeb Andrabi: motion approved. Najeeb Andrabi: Next weeks call cancelled. Najeeb Andrabi: Issue #18 discussion: Martin C: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/email/archives/200809/msg00019.html Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Proposal is good but we should understand ramification of this proposal. Najeeb Andrabi: We should relax the statements on what is testable and what is not. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C: Agrees so environments might generate component type file in a different manner. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin C: We can still to static type checking. Martin C: we dont want to require all design tools to understand how to introspect all c+i files, but they may do Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: Introspected component type must be conformant as it must follow rules specified. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: If a non-conformant component type is created then it is tool/user error. Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: moves to accept this proposal. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconds Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley proposes an amendment to the proposal Najeeb Andrabi: conformance tests can be done as deployment. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley withdraws the amendment. Najeeb Andrabi: Danny: Assembly specification should handle this. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we can add there is no restriction to when it is testable. Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley: Agrees with Danny that we should leave this to assembly specification. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman: Assembly specification already has rules for SCDL. Najeeb Andrabi: Dieter: Is the goal to reject a effective component type file at runtime? Najeeb Andrabi: motion is approved. Najeeb Andrabi: Anish: we should re-write section 2.1 with introspection rules. Najeeb Andrabi: AI#45 transferred to Michael Rowley (Only section 2.1) Najeeb Andrabi: Michael Rowley moves to adjourn meeting. Najeeb Andrabi: Martin Chapman seconds Najeeb Andrabi: Meeting adjourned.
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