Formatted minutes of 2010-01-14 call

Minutes

Agenda -
1. Roll Call
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php
2. Appointment of scribe
Scribe list attached below
3. Agenda bashing
4. Approval of 2010-01-07 minutes
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/201001/msg00001.html
5. Review of Action Items
#0109 Mike Edwards - Send instructions for running the Assembly tests
#0115 Mike Edwards - Prepare an updated version of the proposal for issue 58 (rewriting section 2.1.1 to remove the nested-if)
#0117 Danny - Create a new issue and a proposal for the 0..1 case (related to issue 53)
#0121 Anish - write proposal for Issue 61 to tie idempotency to the SCA Domain Configuration
6. New Issues
None
7. Schedule discussion
The liaison committee has asked for our best guess for finishing up the spec/tests. We have 3 open issues and 13 resolved issues for the spec. The TA document is done, but we don't have the tests yet. We need a schedule for: tests, PR for TA/tests and 2nd PR for the spec.
8. Testing
MikeE to send instructions for running the tests
Here is a rough break up of work for creating the test cases. More volunteers are appreciated.
Sanjay - SBL-TA-1001 to SBL-TA-2018
Anish - SBL-TA-3001 to SBL-TA-3026
9. Issue Discussion
a) Issue 58 - Need to add Capability to indicate that a PartnerLink should be ignored when introspecting the ComponentType of a BPEL process
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-58
Email discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200909/msg00016.html
Awaiting a new proposal from MikeE based on 2009-10-29 concall discussions
b) Issue 61 - Need to deal with variable initialization not being idempotent
http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-61
RAISER: Danny van der Rijn
Proposal: none
Awaiting a new proposal from Anish
10. AOB
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Scribe list:
* Kand, Khanderao (Last scribed: 2009-07-23): 6
* Rowley, Mr Michael (Last scribed: 2009-08-06): 8
* Anish Karmarkar (Last scribed: 2009-10-15): 2
* Edwards, Mike (Last scribed: 2009-10-29): 1
* Koenig, Mr Dieter (Last scribed: 2009-11-05): 13
* Malhotra, Mr Ashok (Last scribed: 2009-11-12): 14
* Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb (Last scribed: 2009-11-19): 13
* Chapman, Dr Martin (Last scribed: 2009-12-10): 11
* Patil, Sanjay (Last scribed: 2009-12-17): 1
* van der Rijn, Danny (Last scribed: 2010-01-07): 12

Greetings, folks

Scribe: Anish Karmarkar

Agenda bashing

Agenda approved

Approval of minutes

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/201001/msg00001.html

Resolution: Approval of 2010-01-07 minutes located at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/201001/msg00001.html approved

AI review

#0109 Mike Edwards - Send instructions for running the Assembly tests

MikeE:

working on instructtions. should be done soon

#0115 Mike Edwards - Prepare an updated version of the proposal for issue 58 (rewriting section 2.1.1 to remove the nested-if)

MikeE:

this is taking more time than I thought as I mentioned last week

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-60

#0117 Danny - Create a new issue and a proposal for the 0..1 case (related to issue 53)

still open

#0121 Anish - write proposal for Issue 61 to tie idempotency to the SCA Domain Configuration

done

potential ed item regarding constraining type

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/201001/msg00005.html

Dieter:

this is part of issue 60 resolution

Anish:

looks good to me

Schedule discussion

The liaison committee has asked for our best guess for finishing up the spec/tests. We have 3 open issues and 13 resolved issues for the spec. The TA document is done, but we don't have the tests yet. We need a schedule for: tests, PR for TA/tests and 2nd PR for the spec.

Sanjay:

3 open issues. Should be resolved soon. We are in good shape wrt the spec. The tasks are applying the resolution, and tests cases

... We could do the PRs for all the specs together

... main guestimate that we need to arrive at is how long it is going to take to create the test cases

... we have 50/60 assertions

Sanjay:

Mike has already done some fair amt of work

MikeE:

if you get ppl to sit down and focus on it and you have 2/3 folks then it can be done in about 2-3 weeks

... this is assuming that folks are working on it more or less full time

Sanjay:

so is 4 weeks a good estimate?

MikeE:

most time is spent in running/debuging tests. writing test is easy

Sanjay:

4 weeks to write and 3 weeks to review

... that takes us to march 11

Sanjay:

we'll need the applied resolutions before we start on testing

Dieter:

i can try and finish applying resolution by next week's call

Motion: editors to update the spec with all the resolutions till date

Anish:

we may have to update the test assertions depending on the pending resolutions

Sanjay:

we should set up time for TA

... for TA we should leave 2 weeks

Schedule --

writing tests - 4 weeks

reviewing tests - 3 weeks

updating spec (concurrently) - 1 week

test instructions (concurrently) - 1 week

TA update/review - 2 weeks

creation of next CDs/PR: should be ready by end of the 3 week review period

total time - 9/10 weeks

Sanjay:

so end of march or early april

Testing

sanjay:

not much to talk about it right now

Issue 61

http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-61

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/201001/msg00006.html

The WS-BPEL specification requires that the variable initialization
logic in scopes that contain (or whose children contain) a start
activity use only idempotent functions in the from-spec. In an SCA
WS-BPEL Runtime, variables associated with SCA properties and
multi-valued reference are set by the runtime based on the configuration
of the containing composite. Therefore, the idempotency is guaranteed
only for a given SCA domain-level composite. The SCA Assembly
specification allows for a variety of implementation including ones that
allow dynamicity for the SCA domain-level composite. See Sections
10.7.1, 10.7.2, 10.8 and 10.9. For such runtimes, the properties and
muti-valued references may change with a change in the domain-level
composite.

+1 from me

danny:

need time to read this, since this was sent pretty late

danny:

minor objection to use of "runtime"

anish:

the proposal uses the term defined by the spec

mikeE:

no normative statements here, just helpful explanation, the proposed wordings seems fine to me

sanjay:

one part that is not clear to me is the 3rd sentence. Seems to conflict with the last sentence.

anish:

the guarantee is only wrt a given virtual domain-level composite

danny:

would like to see the wordings and may send comments. But don't see any red flags right now

61 will be resolved next week

AI #117

sanjay:

any estimate for this

danny:

can't give you an estimate right now

issue 58

anish:

mikeE mentioned last time that he might need help

anish volunteers

anish & mike will try and get the AI for issue 58 done by next week

AOB

no AOB

Meeting adjourned

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OASIS SCA-BPEL TC

14 JAN 2010

Attendees

Contents

Action Items

Resolutions

Minutes

Agenda bashing

Approval of minutes

AI review

potential ed item regarding constraining type

Schedule discussion

Testing

Issue 61

AI #117

issue 58

AOB

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