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Subject: An appeal against TC Admin decision on Java package names
To the SCA-J TC: In accordance with Section 4.2 of the TC Process Document (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#appeals), and before the deadline stipulated in that Section, I hereby acknowledge receipt of the appeal included below, and I inform the TC of such appeal. To the appellants: I must also express deep confusion, as the "detail" section of the Procedural part of the appeal stops short (April 24) without acknowledging the fact that there was a long thread after that date, which included the initiation of a formal appeal (May 2) and its subsequent suspension (may 8)[1]. Apart from the fact that this does not meet in its entirety the requirement that "Previous efforts to resolve the objection(s) and the outcome of each shall be noted.", I am not clear as to the relationship between the current appeal and the previous one. The previous one was suspended, not terminated, so one could think of this as a request to restart it; however, since the list of appellants in this case is not completely the same as the list of appellants in the previous case, I am assuming, until and unless I am told I am wrong, that this is a different appeal. I am enclosing a couple of relevant email messages, in whose cc list many of the current appellants (but not all) were included. Please be aware that until such time as the appeal may be resolved in favor of the appellants, the decisions taken by TC Administration are valid and binding. [1] Because of the very short interval between initiation and suspension, there was no opportunity for me at that time to inform either the TC or the Board of such an appeal. On 11/26/2008 06:50 AM, David Booz wrote: > Please excuse the second email. There is a typo in the (Proposed Resolution) > > Any references to openoasis.org are incorrect and should be oasisopen.org. > > Sorry for any confusion. > > Dave Booz > STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture > Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC > "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" > Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 > e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com > ----- Forwarded by David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM on 11/26/2008 09:47 AM ----- > > > From: > David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM > > To: > eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org > > Cc: > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org, > tc-admin@oasis-open.org > > Date: > 11/26/2008 08:10 AM > > Subject: > Appealing TC Admin decision on Java package names > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal > the decision by TC Admin attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is > being submitted by > individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process. > In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal > by a unanimous vote. > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows. > > TECHNICAL > > (Summary) > > The proposed package name prefix must be controlled by OASIS. > > (Detail) > > The decision comes in two parts. > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS. > 2. The need for OASIS to be able to control the proposed package name > prefix of "org.oasisopen". > > (Proposed Resolution) > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC > discussed this and voted [2] not to accept the proposed package name > prefix of "org.oasisopen" if it is not controlled by OASIS. If OASIS is > unable or unwilling to obtain the use of the "openoasis.org" domain, > then the SCA-J TC would rather retain the use of the package name prefix > "org.osoa". > > PROCEDURAL > > (Summary) > > Part 2 of the decision is a reversal of the earlier decision which > occurred without consultation with the SCA-J TC. > > (Detail) > > This issue was raised with TC-Admin on March 2 (ref. [3]). TC-Admin > sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[4]) On March 10 TC-Admin asked us to > hold off from implementing the decision and said might be a couple of > questions to be answered (ref. [5]). > > Simon Nash (chair at the time) replied to TC-Admin on March 10 (ref. > [6]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to > discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. TC-Admin did not respond. On > March 25, Simon sent another email (ref. [7]) repeating my invitation to > discuss this with the TC. Again, TC-Admin did not respond. > > On April 3 TC-Admin sent a response (ref. [8]) with a decision that > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite two > invitations to have this discussion. TC-Admin also indicated that the > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could > only be changed by formal appeal. > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons > stated above. > > On April 24 Simon sent TC-Admin an email informing her of this (ref. > [9]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and > asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. TC-Admin > acknowledged the email (ref. [10]) and indicate a reply in a few days. > TC-Admin's formal response came on Nov 5 (ref. [1]). > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution > through dialogue, > despite all efforts to do this. The acceptable resolutions are > summarized in the (Proposed Resolution) above. > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal. > > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair > Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member > > REFERENCES > > [1] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html > [2] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/30068/SCA%20Java%20Face%20to%20Face%20Minutes%202008-11-11%20to%202008-11-13.doc > [3] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html > [4] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html > [5] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html > [6] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html > [7] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html > [8] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html > [9] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html > [10] > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html > > Dave Booz > STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture > Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC > "Distributed objects first, then world hunger" > Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093 > e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com -- Eduardo Gutentag eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org +1 510-550-4616
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- From: Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
- To: eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:58:05 +0100
The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
TECHNICAL
(Summary)
The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by Java developers.
(Detail)
The decision comes in two parts.
1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS.
2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by the SCA-J TC.
This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package names is highly unusual and unconventional.
2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
PROCEDURAL
(Summary)
This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
(Detail)
This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not respond.
On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that completely reversed the original decision. There had been no consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could only be changed by formal appeal.
This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons stated above.
On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She has not done so.
At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
REFERENCES
[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
[2] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
[3] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
[4] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
[5] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
[6] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
[7] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
[8] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
Unless stated otherwise above:
IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598.
Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
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--- Begin Message ---
- From: Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
- To: <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:12:27 +0100
Mary,
The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other.
The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC.
Simon
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>02/05/2008 19:49
<mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
Hi all,
My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa.
Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
Regards,
Mary
From: Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM
To: eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
Cc: mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
Subject: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
TECHNICAL
(Summary)
The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by Java developers.
(Detail)
The decision comes in two parts.
1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS.
2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by the SCA-J TC.
This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package names is highly unusual and unconventional.
2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
PROCEDURAL
(Summary)
This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
(Detail)
This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not respond.
On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that completely reversed the original decision. There had been no consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could only be changed by formal appeal.
This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons stated above.
On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She has not done so.
At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
REFERENCES
[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
[2] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
[3] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
[4] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
[5] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
[6] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
[7] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
[8] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
Unless stated otherwise above:
IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598.
Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
Unless stated otherwise above:
IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598.
Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
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--- Begin Message ---
- From: Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
- To: <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:02:15 +0100
Mary,
Thanks for the clarification. I understand the distinction and I will put this on the agenda for this week's SCA-J TC call.
Simon
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>03/05/2008 17:27
<mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>, <jmarino@bea.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "'Mary McRae'" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <mrowley@bea.com> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
Yes – oasisopen.org appears to be owned by someone just sitting on the domain – if it’s agreeable we can look into what it would take to purchase it if that’s absolutely required. Conversely, oasis.org is a live site – a gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution.
Mary
From: Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM
To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
Cc: Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com; mcombellack@avaya.com; mrowley@bea.com
Subject: RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
Mary,
The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other.
The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC.
Simon
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>02/05/2008 19:49
<mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
Hi all,
My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa.
Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
Regards,
Mary
From: Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM
To: eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
Cc: mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
Subject: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
TECHNICAL
(Summary)
The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by Java developers.
(Detail)
The decision comes in two parts.
1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS.
2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by the SCA-J TC.
This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package names is highly unusual and unconventional.
2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
PROCEDURAL
(Summary)
This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
(Detail)
This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not respond.
On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that completely reversed the original decision. There had been no consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could only be changed by formal appeal.
This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons stated above.
On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She has not done so.
At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
REFERENCES
[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
[2] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
[3] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
[4] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
[5] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
[6] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
[7] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
[8] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
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--- Begin Message ---
- From: Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
- To: Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>
- Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:14:31 +0100
The appellants would like this appeal to be put into abeyance until the current round of discussions on this subject has completed.
Many thanks.
Simon
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> 06/05/2008 15:42
Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
It is in abeyance (that is, suspended) until one of three things
happen:
a) the appellants withdraw their appeal, in which case it just goes
away
b) the appellants re-instate their appeal, in which case the clock
starts ticking again
c) the appellants change their original appeal into something else,
in which case the clock is reset to 00:00
On 05/06/2008 06:37 AM, Simon Nash wrote:
>
> Eduardo,
> A new proposal has been made by Mary and this is now under discussion by
> the SCA-J TC. Please can you confirm where we now stand regarding the
> 30-day limit for appeals. Does the new thread of discussion nullify the
> previous 30-day deadline and reset the 30-day clock? If it does, then I
> would be OK with putting the appeal into abeyance until the current
> discussion thread has concluded.
>
> Simon
>
> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>
>
> *Eduardo Gutentag <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>*
>
> 05/05/2008 22:17
>
>
> To
> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
> cc
> mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com,
> mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com,
> mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> Subject
> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I hereby acknowledge receipt of this appeal.
>
> However, given what appears to be an active thread of
> negotiating messages back and forth between the appellants
> and OASIS TC Administration, I need to know whether the
> appeal still stands as is, or whether it should be put in
> abeyance until further notice one way or another from the
> appellants.
>
> I will proceed no further until I receive a clear message
> from the appellants specifying that the appeal stands exactly
> as originally sent.
>
>
> On 05/02/2008 09:58 AM, Simon Nash wrote:
> >
> > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
> > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
> > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by
> > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its
> > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
> >
> > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
> >
> > TECHNICAL
> >
> > (Summary)
> >
> > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming
> > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by
> > Java developers.
> >
> > (Detail)
> >
> > The decision comes in two parts.
> >
> > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from
> > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by
> OASIS.
> > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by
> > the SCA-J TC.
> >
> > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
> > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix
> > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
> >
> > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
> > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package
> > names is highly unusual and unconventional.
> >
> > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.
> > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot
> > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these
> > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both
> > of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
> >
> > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
> > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package
> > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names
> > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
> >
> > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
> > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition,
> > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce
> > an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be
> > derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some
> > options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being
> > suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the
> > corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
> >
> > PROCEDURAL
> >
> > (Summary)
> >
> > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier
> > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite
> > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
> >
> > (Detail)
> >
> > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a
> > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from
> > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to
> > be answered (ref. [4]).
> >
> > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS
> > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC.
> > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6])
> > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not
> > respond.
> >
> > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
> > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
> > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my
> > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the
> > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
> > only be changed by formal appeal.
> >
> > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
> > stated above.
> >
> > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with
> > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if
> > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the
> > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She
> > has not done so.
> >
> > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
> > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
> > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
> >
> > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
> >
> > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
> > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
> > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
> >
> >
> > REFERENCES
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
>
> >
> > [2]
> >
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
>
> >
> > [3]
> >
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
>
> >
> > [4]
> >
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
>
> >
> > [5]
> >
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
>
> >
> > [6]
> >
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
>
> >
> > [7]
> >
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
>
> >
> > [8]
> >
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
> > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > /
> > /
> >
> > /Unless stated otherwise above:
> > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number
> > 741598.
> > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire
> PO6 3AU/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Eduardo Gutentag
> OASIS President
> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
> +1 510-550-4616
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> /
> /
>
> /Unless stated otherwise above:
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> 741598.
> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU/
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Eduardo Gutentag
OASIS President
eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
+1 510-550-4616
Unless stated otherwise above:
IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598.
Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
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--- Begin Message ---
- From: Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
- To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
- Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:41:45 +0100
Mary,
My apologies for the delay in getting back to you. The sca-j TC discussed this at our last meeting and passed the following motion:
"The sca-j TC supports the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen, assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS."
If this is acceptable to OASIS, please can you contact the current owner of oasisopen.org and come back to us when you know whether it is possible to agree terms for OASIS to acquire this domain.
Many thanks.
Simon
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Sent by: marypmcrae@gmail.com20/05/2008 14:11
mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com, eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com, "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>, mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
Hi Simon,
Any update on this issue?
Thanks,
Mary
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> wrote:
Yes – oasisopen.org appears to be owned by someone just sitting on the domain – if it's agreeable we can look into what it would take to purchase it if that's absolutely required. Conversely, oasis.org is a live site – a gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution.
Mary
From: Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM
To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
Cc: Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; booz@us.ibm.com; eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jmarino@bea.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; Mary McRae; mbgl@us.ibm.com; mcombellack@avaya.com; mrowley@bea.com
Subject: RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
Mary,
The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other.
The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC.
Simon
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>02/05/2008 19:49
<mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org> <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
Hi all,
My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa.
Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
Regards,
Mary
From: Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM
To: eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
Cc: mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com; mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com; mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
Subject: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
TECHNICAL
(Summary)
The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by Java developers.
(Detail)
The decision comes in two parts.
1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by OASIS.
2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by the SCA-J TC.
This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package names is highly unusual and unconventional.
2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type. When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
PROCEDURAL
(Summary)
This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
(Detail)
This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not respond.
On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that completely reversed the original decision. There had been no consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could only be changed by formal appeal.
This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons stated above.
On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She has not done so.
At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
REFERENCES
[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
[2] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
[3] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
[4] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
[5] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
[6] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
[7] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
[8] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
Unless stated otherwise above:
IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598.
Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
Unless stated otherwise above:
IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598.
Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
--
Mary P McRae
Manager of TC Administration, OASIS
mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
voip: 603.232.9090
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