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Subject: Re: [security-services] Liberty IPR Issues (was: Liberty ID-FF 1. 2 submissionto the SSTC)
Anthony Nadalin wrote on 12/1/2003, 8:16 PM: > > > If the contributions meet the requirements for OASIS IPR > > disclosures, I think it is time to move on. > > There are companies that still have concerns o that the contributions > don't meet the requirements for OASIS IPR disclosures or have further > questions, Then those companies have an obligation to point to the IPR requirement that isn't being met. So far, the questions have been "well, we admit that you meet the requuirements of the IPR disclosure rules, but we want you to go farther". So, if you want to raise issues, they should be issues around the existing IPR disclosure rules in OASIS and point to specific examples where the disclosures have not met those rules. > and seems you just want to ignore these and move on and force > everyone to accept. Not at all. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I'm saying that we have a set of rules that we all need to live by and I'm pushing back at people who are trying to change the rules. I'm also pushing back at people trying to create FUD around the contribution when there really isn't any FUD and when a direct comparison is made to the disclosures made by the companies raising the issue in other TCs, the things that are being asked for are not in the other disclosures. IBM's IPR disclosure in the WSSTC did not grant derivative rights. In fact it did not grant any rights whatsoever -- it only committed to a future grant. And that committment was only good for the IP necessary to implement the contribution. There was no statement that IPR would be granted for anything that the WSSTC would do. > > There are still way too many questions that exist around exactly > > what will be done, how it will be done, when it will be done, > > etc. to try to nail down exactly >what IP will be included > > and therefore what IPR grants will be needed. > > Well we had better have some expectations before we move on and > this is what we are asking for. The point that I was trying to make was that the unanswered questions are in the area of if/how the stuff is going to be used. Nobody will grant a TC a blank IPR check saying that whatever you do, we will grant you the IPR to do it. An IPR grant, from the grantor's point of view, must be specific to the IP that is being used and, in many cases, how it is being used. If you think that this isn't the case, I ask you to show me such grants made by IBM in any OASIS SSTC. In fact, I haven't been able to find any IPR grants that allow derivative implementations within any of the OASIS SSTCs. Of course, if you think that all parties in the SSTC should grant up-front IPR rights to anything that the SSTC should do, I will ask you to step up and be the first company to do so. Let IBM make an IPR grant that covers anything that the SSTC should do. I'm guessing that IBM wouldn't want to make such a grant either. Conor
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