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Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] Burton Group SOA-RA
Ken: I know you meant no disrespect and I was only commenting on the opportunity or not to bring her stuff in, as a possible valuable contribution, and if so, how... Take care, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] Sent: 12 April 2006 03:13 To: peter@justbrown.net Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Burton Group SOA-RA First, let me say I meant no disrespect to Anne. We have not met and I do not have any reason to doubt her integrity, nor would I argue that we shouldn't consider the extensive thought she has already given to these matters. But the remark was meant to be taken more generally and I see the potential for a very real conflict of interest brewing. I would not want to put anyone, especially someone with an impeccable reputation, in a situation where there can be any questions now or later. And, unfortunately, there are adequate examples of less well-intentioned contributors; thus, the great pain many organizations have and will undergo to develop patent policies. I believe the TC needs to consider the work of others and should, if possible, get clarifications and evolving thoughts from those authors, but I would be careful who was crafting the final words for the TC or how they played in the final deliberations. Ken On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Peter F Brown wrote: I know Anne, and met up with her in Boston last year in the early days of our TC taking shape: I would say, sure, she may have a pitch regarding SOA-RA but I consider her intellectual input to be very highly valuable and she is certainly open-minded. My "problem" is rather with being too free with someone else's IPR, in this case Burton Group as much as Anne's. I'd be happy to talk to her to see whether she and the Burton Group would be willing to provide the papers to the SC list (we often have companies providing input and even software to OASIS TCs, so there's no new ground to cover there...) Peter -----Original Message----- From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] Sent: 11 April 2006 19:39 To: Jeffrey A Estefan Cc: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Burton Group SOA-RA My only concern in having someone like this be a TC member is they have an answer to sell and I'm not sure it would be easy to build a solution that didn't align with that answer. I am certainly interested in work others have done and other perspective, but anyone coming to this TC has to have an open mind on what the answer can be. Ken On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey A Estefan wrote: Joe and the RA team, We too our Burton Group members and during a recent hosting of FFRDC EA and CIO face-to-face meeting here at the Lab in January, Anne Thomas Manes gave an introductory briefing on SOA. She did not go into detail about Burton's SOA-RA but rather gave a general briefing about SOA as "something you do, not something you buy or build." Here briefing was very rudimentary so I don't think it would have value to the team to upload it and I would probably have to obtain permission to do so anyway. The Burton SOA-RA does, however, have value and we would be wise to do due diligence on the their RA in terms of its organization and content for relevance to our work. So do we try and get somebody like Ms. Manes to join the SOA-RM TC and hence SOA-RA SC? (And if so, it looks like Burton would have to become an OASIS member.) This might be a challenge given that as most analyst organizations like Burton, Gartner, Forrester, etc. charge a fee for these type of consulting services. In fact, I don't see any of the analyst organizations I just mentioned as OASIS members. Thoughts?? - Jeff --- Ken Laskey MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 McLean VA 22102-7508 --- Ken Laskey MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 McLean VA 22102-7508
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