Re: [soa-rm-ra] random and nonrandom thoughts on governance

[Ken Laskey <klaskey@mitre.org>]

We should be so lucky as to do half the job they did, even with the admitted flaws.

Ken

P.S. I believe I state in the service description section (or I've written the equivalent elsewhere) that service description has to part of real-time operation and be built as much as possible by capturing work people already do as part of their jobs rather than being add-on documentation that is never complete and never up-to-date.

On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Francis McCabe wrote:

On Sep 6, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Ken Laskey wrote:

See inline.

On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Francis McCabe wrote:

Hi Ken

 There is a lot I agree with here. I do have a few differences though ... (life would be *so* boring :)

 1. I agree completely that participants can be organizations. And that the cardinalities are *..*.

 2. I have a bit of heartache with the way that you characterize goals of participants and organizations. I do not think that they should be conflated:

My  intent is to say that both have Goals that make their way into Governance, not that they have the same goals.  So in that we agree,

 a. An organization may have goals; and governance may be in furtherance of those goals. (A link that is not to be assumed, but to be strived for I believe.)

I don't know about being strived for but from my experience I almost always see participants trying to use governance to further their goals.  Most of the time it causes grief because participants don't always come with the same goals

The genius of the architects of the US constitution was to define the architecture so that in its operation the goals of the framers would be furthered as a side-effect of the goals of the participants.

Since organizations cannot act directly (only people and artificial agents can), we may be stuck with this kind of second-order effect of goal satisfaction wrt governance.

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