Re: [soa-rm-ra] SOA Ecosystem Quote of the Day

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Hi again,

Been down the rabbithole of OASIS-Govt Agency (aka DHS) overlap and 
possibly incompatible requirements, or at least incompatible 
assumptions about requirements. So, at the moment, I think public 
discussion is a good idea, as long as we're not relying on it to 
provide answers as much as refining our questions.

I could actually be more oblique, but I don' wanna. I'll start back 
in on the line-by-line about 2:30 a.m. and with any luck, and cutting 
a few corners in Sections 4 and 5, may in fact be ready to share the 
resulting comments by the time of tomorrow's meeting.

Flirting with Exhaustion,
Rex

At 2:38 PM -0800 2/3/09, Duane Nickull wrote:
>RATHOLE ALERT!!!!
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>(a.k.a parking lot, trout pond...)
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>Let's pose this to the Ontolog Forum.
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>D
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>On 19/01/09 11:18 AM, "Francis McCabe" <frankmccabe@mac.com> wrote:
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>Yes, well, neither is exactly what I think of when I am engaging 
>semantically :)
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>For me, semantic engagement is the relation of understanding between 
>a 'user' and a 'machine' (I use these terms deliberately loosely 
>here). It is, if you will, the 'language' that the user and machine 
>may use in their interactions. For example, my semantic engagement 
>with my car is in terms of gas pedal, speed and so on. If I have a 
>car navigation system, then the language is extended to include 
>points on the Earth and names of places but does not (yet) extend to 
>*why* I am going where I want to go.
>
>The social structures are an abstraction of human society: they 
>represent the kinds of organizations that humans are involved with.
>
>Some resources might move, but this is not their most important 
>attribute (IMO). Resources have value, and have owners.
>
>Frank
>On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Ken Laskey wrote:
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>Semantic engagement is the goal, requirement, and hopefully the 
>result of using appropriate technology but is not the technology 
>itself.
>
>The idea of social structures as parallel universes is intriguing 
>but they are not parallel because they cross where we have 
>interactions.
>
>Ken
>
>On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:08 AM, dellis wrote:
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>ALL
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>"The SOA Ecosystem is a computational representation of the Real 
>World where Social Structures act like parallel Universes.  Semantic 
>Engagement is the information technology which allows meaningful 
>transport of resources from one social structure to another without 
>having them appear as semi-morphous streams of bits."
>
>This implies of course a means of representing Real World entities 
>as SOA Ecosystem resources.
>
>David E. Ellis
>Information Management Architect
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