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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] A general comment on the SOA RA
Boris The calculation performed by turbotax is a great deal more than 'mere' calculation -- the entire business model is predicated on this. In any case, I challenge you to introduce a meaningful dividing line between meaningful calculations and meaningless calculations. Anyone can say "I pronounce you man and wife", but only in certain situations does it convey a real world effect. Frank On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Lublinsky, Boris wrote: > Jeff, I looked quickly through the previous version and did not find > two > much changes, compared to the current one. Yes you renamed the > viewpoint, but it even in the previous version, the word business was > there as just a name. The content was very similar to what it is now: > > "View focuses on what a SOA-based system means for people using it to > conduct their business.9 The mode of business in a SOA-based system is > characterized in terms of providing services and consuming services to > realize mutually desirable real world effects." > The word real world effect is vague enough to mean anything. Besides, > and here is a kicker, service invocation does not really have to > create > a real world effect to be useful. Here is an example of using Turbotax > service online (very appropriate timing wise). When you use this > services you submit your financial documents and receive back the > amount > of tax that you owe or government owes to you. This is quite useful > service, but a pure calculational one. It does not change anything in > the world - just massage numbers. One can of course, say that > returning > back a tax amount is a real world effect, but is it really? And > there is > quite a few services like that, for example, calculating insurance > quote. On another hand, if I am using a banking service to do money > transfer, this one has a true real world effect - amounts are changing > in my accounts. But I consider all of these service useful services. > Now let's take a notorious example of temperature converter. From the > outside it seems like a valid service, but in reality you will > rarely (I > think never) use this service in your SOA implementation. The reason > is > twofold: > - I would be hard pressed to consider this one a useful business > service; > - The granularity of this one is so low, it does not make sense. > So if I am developing SOA I need to know: > -what constitutes a good service? > -how do I ensure that my services are aligned and supporting my > business? > -how do I decide, which services makes sense for my business? > -Do I grow my services organically - bottom up or do I try to develop > overall enterprise model - top down. > > I think that in order for RA to be successful this considerations > should > be part of the document, even if they are just asked, not necessary > answered. There is plenty of sources concentrating on this issues. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estefan, Jeff A [mailto:jeffrey.a.estefan@jpl.nasa.gov] > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:20 PM > To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] A general comment on the SOA RA > > Folks, > > Here is a link to our Public Review Draft 1 (PDR1) version of the RA > released almost a year ago (I can hardly believe it!): > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/soa-rm/soa-ra/v1.0/soa-ra-pr-01.pdf > > In it, you will see the former name of the first viewpoint and > associated view, which was referred to as the "Business via Services" > viewpoint/view. It was renamed to the "Service Ecosystem" > viewpoint/view based on feedback from the tutorial given at last > year's > OASIS Symposium and post subcommittee discussions. I would encourage > you to have a look at the content of the former viewpoint reflected in > PRD1 to if the spirit of the message has been lost given all the > changes > that have been made this past year; far too many in my opinion. I > think > we strayed from the 'business' focus of that viewpoint/view into a far > too an abstract perspective leveraging the ecosystem concept. Those > of > you on the subcommittee already know that I have expressed my > opinion on > this matter a number of times. I think what Frank had captured in the > PRD1 variant was closer to the mark but too many folks taking shots at > it have muddled the message. Once again, I suggest it is time to > re-assess. Wasn't that an action item a few months back? We simply > dropped it. Shame on us. > > Finally, we need to be very clear about the distinction between the > organizational principle of "service orientation" versus SOA. I see a > lot of the former in the recent threads. > > Cheers... > > - Jeff > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > > > The information contained in this communication may be CONFIDENTIAL > and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, > or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. 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