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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram
There is a future/past relationship around Real World Effect that is ambiguous but the intention is to show that predicted real world effect determines willingness. Danny --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Francis McCabe <frankmccabe@mac.com> wrote: > From: Francis McCabe <frankmccabe@mac.com> > Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram > To: "Danny Thornton" <danny_thornton2@yahoo.com> > Cc: "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org" <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org> > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:11 PM > Danny > Your diagram seems to show that RWE determines > willingness. You surely do not mean that? > Frank > On May 13, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Danny Thornton wrote: > > > Making a decision based on a belief that is > contradicted by evidence means a set of rules exist that are > higher priority than the attempt to create new rules based > on evidence. In either case there is a rule base > (willingness) for the decision making process. > > > > In the opposite case, as in the con man, rules may > override preexisting rules based on evidence, even if the > evidence is false. > > > > Trust does not have to be based on an action but is > based on some expected real world effect. Ken has > stated this observation a couple of times. A computing > system may calculate that the resources required to prevent > negative consequences outweighs the negative consequences. > The negative consequences may be due to actions or > inaction. > > > > I've attached an updated version of Frank's diagram > with these views. I specifically did not give State > the name of Shared State and I specifically did not connect > State to Real World Effect (Duane's con man example and also > the case of insanity). > > > > Danny > > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> > wrote: > > > >> From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com> > >> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram > >> To: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>, > "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com> > >> Cc: "Francis McCabe" <frankmccabe@mac.com>, > "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org" > <soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org> > >> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 2:31 PM > >> > >> > >> Re: [soa-rm-ra] Another diagram > >> > >> > >> I agree with Ken (especially the > >> part about not trusting Bettina to pick out a good > action > >> movie). I think that “evidence” is > really > >> “beliefs” or similar. Many people see > >> evidence to the contrary but still believe their > original > >> notions. For example, your see evidence > that > >> contradicts your deep rooted beliefs. Most > people > >> still like to cling to their belief system. > >> > >> > >> > >> D > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 5/13/09 2:00 PM, "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I do not > >> trust her to go to the video > >> > >> store and pick out a good action adventure movie. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sr. Technical Evangelist – Adobe Systems > >> > >> Chair – OASIS SOA RM Technical Committee > >> > >> Manager – Adobe LiveCycle ES Developers List > >> > >> Blog: http://technoracle.blogspot.com > >> > >> Twitter: duanechaos > >> > >> TV Show: http://www.duanesworldtv.org > >> > >> Band: http://www.myspace.com/22ndcentury > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > <Trust.png>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the > OASIS TC that > > generates this mail. Follow this link to all > your TCs in OASIS at: > > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >
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