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Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: [soa-rm-ra]positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]


:-D

I don't know whether "band ache" for "bandaid" was intentional, but as a 
pun its a real grooooooaner! Excellent! Wish I'd thought of it 
intentionally!

Oh, btw, I think we are probably all in violent agreement with this.

Cheers,
Rex

Lublinsky, Boris wrote:
>
> Bingo Bob.
>
> That’s exactly what I was missing in the document.
>
> SOA is a cultural shift trying to break siloed application-centered 
> structure of today’s IT, comprised ofislands of data and automation 
> and a set of very expensive band aches gluing it all together. SOA is 
> all about decomposing enterprise (not application, as many believe) 
> functionality into a set of reusable, composable services, that are 
> manged by a set of enterprise processes, implementing required solutions.
>
> *From:* Ellinger, Robert S (IS) [mailto:robert.ellinger@ngc.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:31 PM
> *To:* Mike Poulin; Lublinsky, Boris; rexb@starbourne.com
> *Cc:* Laskey, Ken; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> *Subject:* RE: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: 
> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
>
> Mike:
>
> We are trying to get to the same concept, but really what is being 
> discussed is a cultural paradigm shift. In my view, the execution 
> context is the technical context within which the service components 
> exist and within in which they are executed as enablers and support 
> for the process. The service components are the parts and 
> subassemblies. The process flow, which is part of the execution 
> context, as defined by the orchestration or choreography (both of 
> which have business rules engines to ensure that 
> policies/standards/business rules/etc. are followed).
>
> Business process modeling as instantiated by the assembled of the SOA 
> service components, with the associated business rule, links the 
> system to the business processes. Provided that the business processes 
> serve the goals or objectives or the business (that is provides value 
> to the business) then the tools as instantiated in the SOA service 
> multiplies the effectiveness of the process.
>
> The cultural shift involves the fact that when business challenges or 
> opportunities arise, the business processes and SOA supporting 
> services can meet those challenge because SOA enable agile systems. I 
> define agility as “successful response to unexpected challenges and 
> opportunities.” BTW, this is the definition of the Agility Forum 
> (circa 1990) associated with Lehigh University (that is Nagel and his 
> group that wrote the book on the agile enterprise). Currently, the 
> monolithic architecture of most ERP-like systems do not allow agility, 
> while functional architecture place emphasis on optimizing for the 
> function; creating silos. There is an axiom in Systems Engineering 
> that optimizing the subsystems, sub-optimizes the system. SOA enables 
> both optimization and agility of the system, but requires mapping of 
> the system to the organization’s processes as the price
>
> I could and have said a great deal more, but I think that is enough. 
> The linkage is there for anyone to get the maximum value out of the 
> SOA and both the business processes and the composite applications 
> (process assembled service components???) or whatever operating in the 
> execution context, must enable and support the processes. As the 
> processes change in response to challenges and opportunities, both the 
> processes and the composite application must respond quickly and 
> successfully. This is not the way it is done now, and that is the 
> cultural change that is needed.
>
> *From:* Mike Poulin [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:18 PM
> *To:* Ellinger, Robert S (IS); Lublinsky, Boris; rexb@starbourne.com
> *Cc:* Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> *Subject:* RE: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: 
> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
>
> Robert,
>
> as we know SOA defines Execution Context. Since we never defined what 
> it includes, I suggest (and promote this opinion) that EC includes 
> Business EC and Technical EC. Business services cannot be 'the 
> environment of the SOA Ecosystem' because it is included into SOA. 
> Business EC defines business execution policies and Technical EC 
> defines technical execution policies. SOA Ecosystem comprises both 
> business and technical realms.
>
> Phrase "while SOA services provide IT artifacts that facilitate 
> connectivity of functional units to realize and support the business 
> services."" has a problem because SOA service does not necessary 
> "facilitate connectivity of functional units". For instance,a 
> self-contained stand-alone business technical service realises its own 
> business function or feature w/o joining with other "functional 
> units". Plus, SOA Service may or may not contain any IT artefacts. 
> Time when SOA was considered a pure technical thing is gone (and for 
> good).
>
> I agree with you on "The value of IT is the same as any other tool". 
> This is why I think that statement " Business needs drive the 
> development of services delivered through IT, which provides the 
> capability that satisfies those needs. This is the business value of 
> SOA" requires corrections. Development of services is not necessary 
> delivered through IT, it may be purely manual business service and 
> many services of such nature exist.
>
> Based on my discussion in several Business Architecture groups on the 
> Web, any business process in Business may be defined as business 
> service with or without technical component. Implementation of the 
> business service, as we know, is not that important for 
> service-oriented Architecture.
>
> If we state that SOA positions BETWEEN Business and IT, we MAY NOT 
> attribute it to IT only and confront it with the business service. 
> This is illogical.
>
> - Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ellinger, Robert S (IS)"
> To: "Lublinsky, Boris" , rexb@starbourne.com
> Cc: "Laskey, Ken" , mpoulin@usa.com, soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was: 
> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:19:49 -0500
>
>
> See below
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lublinsky, Boris [mailto:boris.lublinsky@navteq.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:58 AM
> To: Ellinger, Robert S (IS); rexb@starbourne.com; Lublinsky, Boris
> Cc: Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was:
> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
>
> I have no idea what this means:
>
> "The SOA Ecosystem described in this document must be understood in
> terms of its support of business services, which is its environment."
>
> What is which environment?
> Business services are the environment of the SOA Ecosystem.
>
> Also:
> " Business services provide business functionality in pursuit of
> business outcome; while SOA services provide IT artifacts that
> facilitate connectivity of functional units to realize and support the
> business services."
>
> SOA services is a complete misnomer. Infrastructure I can buy, but SOA
> services?
> I disagree with that. The infrastructure provides nothing except an
> operating context. Only when SOA Service (which in my understanding is
> a composite application with contractual obligations) provide any value
> to the customer.
>
> And finally:
> " Business needs drive the development of services delivered through IT,
> which provides the capability that satisfies those needs. This is the
> business value of SOA."
>
> This has several problems:
> 1. Business is concerned only with business services and drives their
> design, not development 2. What is the business value? What does this
> points to?
>
> My understanding of the term development is that it includes design, but
> if you want to change it...The value of IT is the same as any other
> tool, to multiple the value of the process.
> Adam Smith pointed this out in Chapter 1 of Book 1 of the Wealth of
> Nations. This is a point lost on IT as this comment demonstrates.
>
> I think we are digressing.
>
> I hope not.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellinger, Robert S (IS) [mailto:robert.ellinger@ngc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:46 AM
> To: rexb@starbourne.com; Lublinsky, Boris
> Cc: Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was:
> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
>
> Hi:
>
> Please try this edit.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:34 AM
> To: Lublinsky, Boris
> Cc: Ellinger, Robert S (IS); Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com;
> soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was:
> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
>
> Very minor grammar correction, Boris,
>
> I'm just a nit picker.
>
> ;)
> Rex
>
> Lublinsky, Boris wrote:
> > I haven't seen people discussing my grammar so much lately. I am doing
>
> > something wrong sorry.
> > I am fine with managing
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:07 AM
> > To: Ellinger, Robert S (IS)
> > Cc: Lublinsky, Boris; Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com;
> > soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was:
> > [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I'm being technically challenged at the moment with remote participation
> >
> > in overlapping meetings the latter of which isn't starting and
> > the former of which appears to have ended early while I dropped
> > off to attend the latter.Sheseh!
> >
> > Here's how I would correct Boris's grammar with one word-substitution:
>
> > I
> >
> > don't want the concept of "orchestration" being confused with the use of
> >
> > "orchestrating" so I am changing that to "managing" which we don't spend
> >
> > much attention on in the RAF yet .(I just want to avoid anyone asking if
> >
> > we mean that "all business services must be delivered via
> > orchestration."):
> >
> > Business drives the definition of business services aligned with
> > enterprise business functionality and business processes,
> > managing execution of these services, while IT defines
> > infrastructure services,
>
> > providing support across a wide range of business services and
> > implements both types of services. Such collaboration allows
> > stronger communications between both, by creating one-to-one
> > mapping between business and IT artifacts.
> >
> > Regardless, since it is clear that Bob did not actually pick up
> > Boris's additions and so didn't drop them, and Ken had one more
> > addition he was considering, could we ask Ken to correct Boris's
> > grammar, fold in Bob's slight rewording and add his piece? Then,
> > perhaps Jeff and/or Jim could make the crisp differentiation
> > between business services and SOA services or between business
> > services and IT
>
> > services
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rex
> >
> > Ellinger, Robert S (IS) wrote:
> >
> >> Didn't intend to drop Boris's additions...must of missed them.
> >> I thought we were to start from where you left off, so that is
> >> what I
> >>
> > did.
> >
> >> Sorry Boris...Perhaps we were working concurrently and the material 
> crossed.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:10 AM
> >> To: Lublinsky, Boris
> >> Cc: Ellinger, Robert S (IS); Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com;
> >> soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> >> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was:
> >> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
> >>
> >> My task was to get the work rolling. I have minor quibbles with
> >>
> > correct
> >
> >> English grammar in Boris's additions, and I agree with Jeff that
> >> the distinction between "business service' and "SOA service"
> >> needs to be made. In general I think simpler is better, but as
> >> long as the grammar is corrected, I'd be fine with Boris's
> >> additions. I don't have any problems with Bob's minor rewording,
> >> but i don't see why he dropped Boris's additions..
> >>
> >> I'll look at it again in the morning.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Rex
> >>
> >> Lublinsky, Boris wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> You through away all changes that were suggested after this initial
> >>>
> >>>
> >> one?
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Ellinger, Robert S (IS) [mailto:robert.ellinger@ngc.com]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:41 PM
> >>> To: rexb@starbourne.com
> >>> Cc: Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>> Subject: RE: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was:
> >>> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
> >>>
> >>> I'd recommend some minor rewording... -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:16 PM
> >>> To: rexb@starbourne.com
> >>> Cc: Laskey, Ken; mpoulin@usa.com; soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [soa-rm-ra] intro discussion for Wednesday [was:
> >>> [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business]
> >>>
> >>> First pass at the Section 1.2 as an additional paragraph after
> >>> the first paragraph. I include the first paragraph and the
> >>> start of the current second paragraph here for the context:
> >>>
> >>> 1.2 Service Oriented Archtecture - An Ecosystem Perspective
> >>>
> >>> Many systems cannot be understood by a simple decomposition into
> >>>
> > parts
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> and subsystems -- in particular when there are many
> >>> interactions between the parts. For example, a biological
> >>> ecosystem is a self-sustaining association of plants, animals,
> >>> and the hysical environment in which they live. Undestanding an
> >>> ecosystem often requires a holistic perspective rather than one
> >>> focusing on the
> >>>
> >>>
> >> system's individual parts.
> >>
> >>
> >>> The SOA Ecosystem described in this document occupies the
> >>> boundary between Business and IT. It is neither wholly IT nor
> >>> wholly Business,
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> but is of both worlds. Neither Business nor IT completely own, govern
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> and manage this SOA Ecosystem. Both sets of concerns must be
> >>> accommodated for the SOA Ecosystem to fulfill its purposes.
> >>> Business
>
> >>> needs drive the development of services delivered through IT,
> >>> providing the capability that satisfies those needs. This is
> >>> the business value of SOA.
> >>>
> >>> From a holistic perspective, a SOA-based system is a network
> >>> of independent services, machines, the people who operate,
> >>> affect, use and govern those services as well as ...
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Rex
> >>>
> >>> Rex Brooks wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Ken, Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe that the email you are looking for is your reply to
> Frank:
> >>>>
> >
> >
> > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/soa-rm-ra/email/archives
> >
> >>>> /
> >>>> 200906/msg00012.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is what Frank Wrote Jun 14, 2009, at 7:12 PM:
> >>>>
> >>>> "I sympathize with the sentiment behind this. We have
> >>>> consistently identified SOA as being at the boundary between
> >>>> business and IT. It
>
> >>>> is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> neither wholly IT nor wholly business but is of both worlds.
> >>>>
> >>>> That represents potentially one of SOA's greatest opportunities; and
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> the source of its weaknesses: neither business nor IT can completely
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> own/grok SOA.
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank"
> >>>>
> >>>> The email referenced above contains the most or all of the thread 
> "Are
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> we being ignored?"
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure we would help ourselves if we say more than "The
> >>>> SOA Ecosystem described in this document occupies the boundary
> >>>> between Business and IT. It is neither wholly IT nor wholly
> >>>> Business, but is
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> of both worlds. Neither Business nor IT completely own, govern
> >>>> and manage this SOA Ecosystem. Both sets of concerns MUST be
> >>>>
> > accommodated
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> for the SOA Ecosystem to fulfill its purposes."
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Rex
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Laskey, Ken wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is a reminder that this week we are scheduled to discuss
> >>>>>
> > adding
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> the text on the overlap of SOA and business. Below is text suggested
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> by Michael Poulin and there is another email from Boris with a lot
>
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> idea that would need to be condensed and
> >>>>>
> > added/substituted/combined.
> >
> >>>>> Let's get the discussion far enough along that we can bring this to
> >>>>>
> >
> >
> >>>>> (close to) closure by the end of Wednesday's call.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I remember there was an email where Frank wrote something very
> >>>>>
> > crisp
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> on this subject that I replied was exactly what we needed to say.
> >>>>> Unfortunately, I have no idea when that email thread occurred. If
>
> >>>>> someone could find it, I think it would be a good contribution 
> to the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> discussion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Back to Mike's suggested text, two immediate things come to mind.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Section 1.4 is a discussion of the views and this is not a view
>
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> be added as 1.4.4. I think it fits after section 1.2, possibly as
>
> >>>>> another short section.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. It is not obvious to me what the phrase "the similarity of
> >>>>> the principles of the Value Networks business model" means.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ken
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> ------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dr. Kenneth Laskey
> >>>>> MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934
> >>>>> 7515 Colshire Drive fax:
>
> >>>>> 703-983-1379
> >>>>> McLean VA 22102-7508
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: mpoulin@usa.com [mailto:mpoulin@usa.com] Sent:
> >>>>> Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:31 AM
> >>>>> To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org
> >>>>> Subject: [soa-rm-ra] positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and 
> business
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I join Francis and Boris in suggestion that SOA RA's Introduction
>
> >>>>> would benefit from adding a couple of paragraphs on the
> >>>>> business aspects of SOA positioned across Business and IT.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the previous message I composed a few words for a small section
>
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> this topic and propose to discuss them as an initial draft 
> during the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> next (or following) Telecom. Proposed text may be found in the 
> middle
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> of this message chain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any suggestions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Michael
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> -----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Subject: RE: todos for PR2
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: mpoulin@usa.com To: soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org Date: 8
> >>>>>
> > Sep
> >
> >>>>> 2009 16:21:26 -0000
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> -----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and business" is what I 
> write
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> a lot for last few months. So, let me propose a strawman for this
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> text:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> 1.4.4 Business Value of the Service Oriented Architecture
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A Service Oriented Architecture realizes principles of the concept
>
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> service orientation in the sphere of architecture. The architecture
> >>>>>
> >
> >
> >>>>> in the organisation comprises both business architecture and
> >>>>> technical architecture of the systems [ref. to TOGAF 9.0].
> >>>>> While SOA-based systems address aspects of the technical
> >>>>> architecture,
> >>>>>
> > the
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> similarity of the principles of the Value Networks business 
> model and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> SOA allows us to see SOA as a conceptual bridge between
> >>>>> corporate Business and IT.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Noticed similarity opens up new possibilities for Business and IT
> >>>>>
> > to
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> construct service-oriented customer-centric convergent solutions
> >>>>>
> > for
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> business problems. Service orientation enables operational
> >>>>> and technical flexibility, which contributes to business
> >>>>> efficiency the
> >>>>>
> >
> >
> >>>>> great deal. The Service Orientation concept has the potential
> >>>>> not only to align IT with Business, but also to align the
> >>>>> entire
> >>>>>
> > company
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> with the market dynamics.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the ideas in this writing are acceptable, I will work on the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> wording.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> - Michael Poulin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> -----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Francis McCabe To:
> >>>>> "soa-rm-ra@lists.oasis-open.org RA"
> >>>>>
> >
> >
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:24:08 -0700
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> -----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. As Boris alluded to, I think that a paragraph or two in
> >>>>> the introduction positioning SOA on the cusp between IT and
> >>>>> business could be very useful. It is also pretty faithful to
> >>>>> the RAF!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. The concept of interaction in the RM referred *everything*
> >>>>> involved in interacting with services. For the RA we have to
> >>>>>
> > unpack
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> that some. This is the foundation for the multi-leveled concept of
> >>>>>
> >
> >
> >>>>> joint action. This should go in Section 3.1.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. I think that Danny's security diagram should be updated
> >>>>> and incorporated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4. The trust and willingness stuff should go in.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 5. It would be good if we could go through the text bolding defined
> >>>>>
> >
> >
> >>>>> concepts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> -----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>>>> -
> >>>>> -----------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Rex Brooks
> >>> President, CEO
> >>> Starbourne Communications Design
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> >>> Tel: 510-898-0670
> >>>
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Starbourne Communications Design
GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
Berkeley, CA 94702
Tel: 510-898-0670



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