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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Fwd: [TechRepublic] SOA model for enterprise apps
Words of wisdom. I concur. Ciao, Rex At 10:18 AM -0400 5/4/05, Ken Laskey wrote: >We have gotten to writing rather quickly and I'm >sure the editors will not have adequately >digested all the points of view in the hundreds >(how soon will we hit a thousand?) emails. >Getting a first pass down will be useful but it >will then fall on careful review by the >non-editors to provide alternative content to >catch important points that are missed or >provide corrections to interpretations that do >not represent consensus. If some portions need >more in-depth thought, hopefully this process >will bring those issues to light. > >Ken > >On May 4, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Matthew MacKenzie wrote: > >>I would like to capitalize on the momentum we >>have to complete the RM quickly, so it can be >>applied sooner than later. Respectfully, I >>think that it would be foolish for us to "slow >>down" to accomadate members who cannot devote a >>serious amount of time to this effort. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Matt >>Rex Brooks wrote: >> >>>Both. >>> >>>This is not to say that I think any part of >>>work is wrong or flawed, only that I have not >>>had sufficient time to absorb it. >>> >>>Rex >>> >>>At 8:24 AM -0400 5/4/05, Chiusano Joseph wrote: >>> >>>><Quote> >>> >>>>I think we will do ourselves a favor if we >>>>just slow down to a more deliberate pace, and >>>>let this initial flurry of attention and hype >>>>subside >>> >>>></Quote> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>Rex, >>> >>>> >>> >>>>Is your reference to the flurry above >>>>regarding activities within our TC, or >>>>externally (the press coverage, etc.)? >>> >>>> >>> >>>>Joe >>> >>>> >>> >>>>Joseph Chiusano >>> >>>>Booz Allen Hamilton >>> >>>>Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com <http://www.boozallen.com/> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:18 AM >>>> *To:* soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >>>> *Subject:* [soa-rm] Fwd: [TechRepublic] SOA model for enterprise apps >>>> >>>> I thought it might be of interest to note that we are now seeing >>>> a bombardment of articles and white papers touting SOA, and >>>> providing models and definitions, which strikes me as very >>>> indicative of the kind of frenzied activity that we see when a >>>> 'buzz' word or concept makes the rounds. This is exactly what I >>>> meant when I started working on my recent series of articles on >>>> EA-SOA, Fad or Foundation? >>>> >>>> >>>> I am not going to post the urls, unless asked since it is a >>>> four-part series and long enough for a short book by itself and >>>> not dedicated to SOA per se, and that is not the thrust of this >>>> message, which is, to be honest counter-intuitive. I would like >>>> us to simply hold off on pushing forward so vigorously that even >>>> if we deliver a spec in record time and letter perfect down to >>>> its manicured toenails, it will be lost in this confusion of >>>> "experts" including my own contribution to the overall "mess." >>>> Also, after having been through several larger efforts to build >>>> standards for more narrowly focused technologies, I begin to >>>> distrust anything that hasn't taken at least a year to work its >>>> way through a vigorous process. >>>> >>>> >>>> While the editors are to be commended for producing drafts so >>>> quickly, I haven't had the time to properly absorb what is on the >>>> agenda for today's meeting, let alone what the long term >>>> implications and ramifications of these definitions and terms >>>> actually represent. Perhaps as another indication of why I find >>>> this whole topic somewhat alarming for the rapidity with which it >>>> is overtaking both the trade press and the IT providers, I am >>>> actually getting an online demo of an SOA-specific product today, >>>> which I won't bother naming since I haven't had a chance to view >>>> it yet, but the very fact that it pushed its way on to my >>>> schedule after last week and in time to overlap with today's >>>> meeting, which I will attend even if I am not actively discussing >>>> much, supports my point--the hurrier I go the behinder I get. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think we will do ourselves a favor if we just slow down to a >>>> more deliberate pace, and let this initial flurry of attention >>>> and hype subside while we pore over this in a bit more thorough >>>> way. I recognize that this is unlikely to receive a favorable >>>> reception, but the faster we go, no matter how thorough we think >>>> we are being, the more I am convinced that our work will be >>>> flawed seriously for lack of enough time for our collection of >>>> brains to gain sufficient perspective to view our own enterprise >>>> here in a more balanced and objective way. >>>> >>>> >>>> However, in the end, what do I know? Not very bleeping much. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ciao, >>>> >>>> Rex >>>> >>>> >>>>> X-sbi: accucast >>>>> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 00:56:01 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> From: "Enterprise Applications at TechRepublic.com" >>>>> <CNET_Networks_Member_Services@newsletter.online.com> >>>>> Reply-To: >>>>> "Enterprise Applications at TechRepublic.com" >>>>> <CNET_Networks_#3.147048.33373833383235@newsletters.online.com> >>>>> To: rexb@starbourne.com >>>>> Subject: [TechRepublic] SOA model for enterprise apps >>>>> X-Accutrak: >>>>> CNET_Networks_#3.147048.33373833383235@newsletters.online.com >>>>> X-Rcpt-To: <rexb@starbourne.com> >>>>> X-DPOP: Version number supressed >>>> >>>> >>>> Trouble viewing this mail? 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