RE: [soa-rm] Identity (Was RE: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In Your SOA - Best Practices")

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

Matt,

Interesting thoughts. My first inclination was to say that we could
consider requiring identity as a component of our RM - i.e. in order to
be in conformance with our RM, identity has to be present in a SOA
"operation" (whatever term we use).

But what about cases in which a user makes a request anonymously, such
as is done with Web sites? For example, browsing for flights/hotels to
Paris on Expedia.com (like I did today).

Joe

Joseph Chiusano
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:51 PM
> To: Chiusano Joseph
> Cc: SOA-RM
> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Identity (Was RE: [soa-rm] Good Recent 
> SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data Model In Your SOA - Best Practices")
> 
> Is it true that all future s-o architectures will require identity?   
> Can we make that statement?  Do we want to make that statement?
> 
> -Matt
> On 9-May-05, at 8:48 PM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> 
> > Just wanted to voice my support for incorporating the 
> abstract concept 
> > of identity in our RM. I also note that this abstract 
> concept can be 
> > mapped to multiple concrete concepts, such as Liberty Federated 
> > Identity, SAML tokens, etc. (getting the hang of this RM stuff!)
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Joseph Chiusano
> > Booz Allen Hamilton
> > Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:36 AM
> >> Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
> >> Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Good Recent SOA Piece: "Managing an XML Data 
> >> Model In Your SOA - Best Practices"
> >>
> >> Sally:
> >>
> >> Good catch.  Ajay is a voting member of this group and I 
> am sure he 
> >> can submit them to the member submissions area.
> >>
> >> While we didn't take on the gist of the work due to the 
> fact it was 
> >> very concrete, the abstract concept of identity is 
> probably at least 
> >> worth a discussion at some point.  Assuming that SOA is a set of 
> >> patterns implementable across multiple, unknown 
> environments, there 
> >> is probably a section in the service description that 
> should be able 
> >> to make some sort of identity declaration and/or present 
> credentials.
> >>
> >> If anyone wants to get into this now, perhaps we should rename the 
> >> thread to "Identity".
> >>
> >> Duane
> >>
> >> Sally St. Amand wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Having just read this blog I need to ask if the "identity"
> >>> presentation (made at the F2F) you spoke of on Wed's call
> >>>
> >> related to
> >>
> >>> this same point? I was not at the F2F. Did the presenter 
> provide a 
> >>> copy of the slides?
> >>>
> >>> John Harby <jharby@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     This is an excellent blog entry from Phil:
> >>>
> >>>     http://www.looselycoupled.com/blog/lc00aa00096.html
> >>>
> >>>     On 5/6/05, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Forwarding a good recent SOA piece[1] for those interested in
> >>>>
> >>>     reading it.
> >>>
> >>>> Covers the notion of an integrated data model as a
> >>>>
> >> foundational
> >>
> >>>     concept;
> >>>
> >>>> also presents a 6-layer approach to SOA (about mid-article).
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://www.tdan.com/i032ht02.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Joseph Chiusano
> >>>>
> >>>> Booz Allen Hamilton
> >>>>
> >>>> Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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