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Subject: Re: [soa-rm] What Is A "Metaservice"?


+2

At 12:30 PM -0500 2/10/06, Ken Laskey wrote:
>as typical, +1
>
>On Feb 10, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Frank McCabe wrote:
>
>>I personally see lots of potential for services about services. The 
>>classic domain being service management.
>>However, I also fail to see why we need to do anything about it :) 
>>All the pieces needed to support management and other similar meta 
>>cases <duck/> is already there.
>>Frank
>>
>>On Feb 10, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Ken Laskey wrote:
>>
>>>The problem of metaservice as you've defined it is that you are 
>>>assuming the underlying capability is only used to do something 
>>>with another service.  Now while that may be the only use that 
>>>makes sense for a particular metaservice, in SOA we specifically 
>>>do not make assumptions on who future users may be or the context 
>>>in which they will find that service useful.  Would we really get 
>>>value out of arguing the conditions under which a service is a 
>>>metaservice and when it is not?
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 10, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>>>>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:10 AM
>>>>>To: Ken Laskey; Chiusano Joseph
>>>>>Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: [soa-rm] What Is A "Metaservice"?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do we need a term for service metadata?
>>>>
>>>>Exactly. That was my motivation for suggesting a different definition
>>>>for "metaservice".
>>>>
>>>>Joe
>>>>
>>>>Joseph Chiusano
>>>>Associate
>>>>Booz Allen Hamilton
>>>>
>>>>700 13th St. NW, Suite 1100
>>>>Washington, DC 20005
>>>>O: 202-508-6514
>>>>C: 202-251-0731
>>>>Visit us online@ http://www.boozallen.com
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Rex
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 9:55 AM -0500 2/10/06, Ken Laskey wrote:
>>>>>>I typically cause physical damage to people who say metadata
>>>>>is about
>>>>>>data. (OK, not really.)  That is a circular definition that
>>>>>tells you
>>>>>>nothing.  In our context, metadata is a subset of
>>>>>information related
>>>>>>to an entity, including parts of the entity, that are needed for a
>>>>>>particular purpose.  That means metadata can also be descriptive
>>>>>>information about a service.  The early SOA-RM drafts (I
>>>>>think 07 and
>>>>>>before) had an appendix on metadata
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as metaservice, the description of service supports a
>>>>>hierarchy
>>>>>>or combination of services, including services working with and on
>>>>>>other services.  To have metaservice as a useful concept, you would
>>>>>>need a base level SERVICE and then things acting on it.  The
>>>>>>identification of SERVICE will be use dependent and the source of
>>>>>>endless, fruitless arguments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Feb 10, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This may potentially be pertinent for our Reference
>>>>>Architecture work:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In a recent entry[1] in his blog called "Focus on
>>>>>Repositories", David
>>>>>>>Linthicum mentions the term "metaservice". Quote (see end of
>>>>>>>[1]):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Since data about data is called metadata, I call data
>>>>>about services
>>>>>>>metaservices. A term we may be hearing more about in the
>>>>>future, and
>>>>>>>what will exist in these repositories."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I differ with Dave on this, and see "metaservice" as being
>>>>>something
>>>>>>>different. Here's my comment on his blog:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><Comment>
>>>>>>>On the following: "Since data about data is called metadata, I call
>>>>>>>data about services metaservices":
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since metadata is "data about data", I wonder if a
>>>>>metaservice should
>>>>>>>really be considered a "service about services"? If so, what would
>>>>>>>that really mean? Perhaps it's a service that "sits above"
>>>>>a number of
>>>>>>>other services and provides, well, services about (or
>>>>>>>for?) those services that, upon invocation, returns various details
>>>>>>>about those services, or perhaps performs services upon the
>>>>>services
>>>>>>>themselves (such as aggregating them at design time).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just thinking out loud here...
>>>>>>></Comment>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Comments on my comment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/eai/cto/archives/007469.asp>[1]
>>>>>>>http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/eai/cto/archives/007469.asp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joseph Chiusano
>>>>>>>Associate
>>>>>>>Booz Allen Hamilton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>700 13th St. NW, Suite 1100
>>>>>>>Washington, DC 20005
>>>>>>>O: 202-508-6514
>>>>>>>C: 202-251-0731
>>>>>>>Visit us online@ <http://www.boozallen.com/>http://www.boozallen.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>---
>>>>>>Ken Laskey
>>>>>>MITRE Corporation, M/S H305     phone:  703-983-7934
>>>>>>7515 Colshire Drive                        fax:        703-983-1379
>>>>>>McLean VA 22102-7508
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Rex Brooks
>>>>>President, CEO
>>>>>Starbourne Communications Design
>>>>>GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
>>>>>Berkeley, CA 94702
>>>>>Tel: 510-849-2309
>>>>>
>>>
>>>---
>>>Ken Laskey
>>>MITRE Corporation, M/S H305     phone:  703-983-7934
>>>7515 Colshire Drive                        fax:        703-983-1379
>>>McLean VA 22102-7508
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ken Laskey
>MITRE Corporation, M/S H305     phone:  703-983-7934
>7515 Colshire Drive                        fax:        703-983-1379
>McLean VA 22102-7508


-- 
Rex Brooks
President, CEO
Starbourne Communications Design
GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison
Berkeley, CA 94702
Tel: 510-849-2309


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