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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] SOA-RM Mention on WebServices.org
Ohhhh, Huff-a-Lump.... Sigh, I guess I'm doing my part, since I usually bang on this particular drum at some point in relation to specs I work on, since I am arranging a seminar by Frank on the need for an SOA RM on behalf of the Ontolog Forum at SRI AI during the upcoming Ninth International Protégé Conference http://protege.stanford.edu/conference/2006/ However, I confess I haven't gotten back into the RA work since I returned from the NHIN Forum at NIH last week in DC, which as I said elsewhere, is an excuse for darn near anything. I shall dutifully start catching up on that soon. Between traveling and scheduling and planning work, almost all of which is involved in implementations of SOA in fact, I'd rather be sailing, sigh. O:-) Polishing up my halo, Rex At 5:47 AM -0700 7/6/06, Duane Nickull wrote: >;-) > >******************************* >Adobe Systems, Inc. - <http://www.adobe.com>http://www.adobe.com >Adobe Developer Program - ><http://developer.adobe.com/>http://developer.adobe.com/ >Chair - OASIS SOA Reference Model Technical Committee >Personal Blog - ><http://technoracle.blogspot.com/>http://technoracle.blogspot.com/ >******************************* > >From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:02 AM >To: Ken Laskey; Don Flinn >Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: RE: [soa-rm] SOA-RM Mention on WebServices.org > >SOA-RM and Wikipedia: See ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture (search >on "OASIS"). Not sure who the author was. > >Joe > > >From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] >Sent: Wed 7/5/2006 8:48 PM >To: Don Flinn >Cc: Chiusano Joseph; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: Re: [soa-rm] SOA-RM Mention on WebServices.org >Thanks, Don. I've been thinking we need to >write a Wikipedia article on SOA-RM that at >least gets out there our basic concepts and >definitions, even if not a book describing all >the fine points. Haven't managed to find the >time to follow up. Sigh. > >Ken > >On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Don Flinn wrote: > > >Ken > >SOA is a disruptive technology and as such it is important that people, >especially IT, change their perspective. I ran a development group at >Hitachi in which we were changing our focus to Web Services, not even >SOA. My biggest problems came from the best and most senior engineers. >These people had developed expertize in procedural programming and had >applied that knowledge to highly distributed systems. Getting them to >make the mind shift to SOA was equivalent to getting a person to change >religions. To my discredit, I was not successful in getting the top >engineer to change. Sigh! > >Note that the author of the referenced article picked as the best >definition of an SOA one from the WIKI, which was technology biased. > >Unfortunately, I believe that his business audience accepted his >definition because they concluded "This is just another one of those >technological thingees, so lets move on". In other words they didn't >buy it and another group was lost. We need more evangelizing as >distasteful as it might be. > >You and Frank are great at explaning an SOA. Consequently, I propose >that you put a more accurate definition on the WIKI. > >Here's a business manager oriented, not RM although derived from the RM >concepts, definition that I have be thinking about. > >"An SOA is a business approach that enables the wide-spread sharing of >business processes to satisfy business requirements, whether the sharing >parties are in the same business unit, spread across the organization in >different departments or divisions, or even in different companies." >(Maybe business requirements should read business needs) > >**Flinn now ducking incoming flames** > >Don > > >On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 18:15 -0400, Ken Laskey wrote: > >>Well you can't please everyone :-| >> >>Obviously, we tried to say a lot (maybe too much) and didn't consider >>the need for an elevator speech. >> >>Ken >> >>At 05:51 PM 7/5/2006, Chiusano Joseph wrote: >> >>>Piece is called "Arriving at a definition of SOA" >>> >>>See >>><http://www.webservices.org/weblog/colin_adam/arriving_at_a_definition_of_soa>http://www.webservices.org/weblog/colin_adam/arriving_at_a_definition_of_soa >>> >>>(search on "OASIS") >>> >>>Joe >>> >>>Joseph Chiusano >>>Associate >>>Booz Allen Hamilton >>> >>>15059 Conference Center Drive, Suite 300 (on assignment) >>>Chantilly, VA 20151 >>>O: 703-633-3152 >>>C: 202-251-0731 >>>Visit us online@ <http://www.boozallen.com>http://www.boozallen.com >>> >>> >> >>-- >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> / Ken Laskey >>\ >> | MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 | >> | 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 >>| >> \ McLean VA >>22102-7508 / >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >-- >Don Flinn >President, Flint Security LLC >Tel: 781-856-7230 >Fax: 781-631-7693 >e-mail: <mailto:flinn@alum.mit.edu>flinn@alum.mit.edu ><http://flintsecurity.com>http://flintsecurity.com > > >--- >Ken Laskey >MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 >7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 >McLean VA 22102-7508 > > > > -- Rex Brooks President, CEO Starbourne Communications Design GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison Berkeley, CA 94702 Tel: 510-849-2309
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