Maybe if we just kept after each of the vendors, asking them to outline the reference architecture they are using to support their implementations, they might actually think about retrothinking their stuff and writing a damned RA that fits ;-)
Peter
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To: Danny Thornton; Rex Brooks
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Microsoft SOA Reference Model
Sorry Danny,
Not only do I NOT have a link to something
resembling a Reference Architecture, I was being
slightly facetious. That was the intent of my
closing statement about the need to retrofit the
abstractions. If you look at IBM's SOA materials
by specifying "SOA Reference Architecture" in the
IBM search box, it consists almost entirely of
"success stories." I suspect that if the largest
IT vendors were challenged to produce an RA, they
would probably develop Reference Implementations.
IBM certainly isn't alone in this myopic
concentration on selling product at the expense
of genuine interoperability across platforms and
products. I could have added Sun and many other
vendors. The point is that even if one were to
cobble or kluge together a system such as I
described, getting it to actually work, as in
being functionally "interoperable," would be a
challenge.
Cheers,
Rex
At 1:58 PM -0700 4/22/07, Danny Thornton wrote:
That would make a SOA reference implementation. I
spent a few minutes trying to get at a reference
architecture behind the products and I didn't find it.
Do you have a link to something resembling a
reference architecture?
Danny
No problem Danny,
Åll anyone needs to is to just wrap webMethods
SOA Fabric (they are now owned by Software AG)
around Systinet's SOA Governance (a UDDI
Regitsry), and around IBM's Enterprise Service
Bus and serve it up on a Sharepoint Platter,
y'think?
Of course, you will need to retrofit the
abstractions.
Cheers,
Rex
At 10:37 AM -0700 4/22/07, Danny Thornton wrote:
From what I saw of John's architecture, it has a
long
way to go. I was also thinking about responding
and
offering an invitation to John to join the RA work.
Another option: While OASIS is open and encourages
a
broad spectrum of coorporation, it would be
entertaining to see if any individual, company, or
organization could produce a better SOA Reference
Architecture than the OASIS SOA RA group.
Danny
I would honestly love for John E. to come and
work
with us on this. He is a
smart guy and would be able to contribute
substantially to the project.
Duane
On 4/22/07 8:35 AM, "Ken Laskey"
wrote:
I think this should really give impetus to our
RA
work. People complain it is
too abstract but I've gotten people to agree
that
one of the major problems
has been that no one has agreed on the
"obvious".
Now we need to give them
that next step.
On to Pasadena...
Ken
On Apr 22, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Duane Nickull
wrote:
I just posted a comment on the blog. It is
no
where near abstract as it
claims.
Duane
On 4/21/07 4:00 PM, "Chiusano, Joseph"
Passing along this SOA reference model news:
"Microsoft SOA Reference Model, Initial
Draft
of the Introductory Chapter"
The author, John Evdemon, is the co-chair
of
the BPEL TC.
Joe
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