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Subject: RE: [tm-pubsubj] FW: TC comment list configurations (part 1)
The debate being now settled down, and following Karl's request, I hereby ask TC members to comply to OASIS guidelines, and conduct all TC internal debate on present list tm-pubsubj, and not on tm-pubsubj-comment, which is dedicated to non-member comments. Reminder : both lists archives are public anyway Bernard _____________________________________ Bernard Vatant Senior Consultant - Knowledge Engineering www.mondeca.com _____________________________________ | -----Original Message----- | From: Bernard Vatant [mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com] | Sent: vendredi 7 février 2003 00:17 | To: 'tm-pubsubj' | | | I think this debate is of interest to the (private) TC list, since it is | questioning the way we have worked so far. | | Answer from Karl in part 2 | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: Bernard Vatant [mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com] | | Sent: mercredi 5 février 2003 22:57 | | To: 'karl.best@oasis-open.org'; 'rkthunga@interposting.com'; | | 'rexb@starbourne.com'; 'larsga@garshol.priv.no'; | 'Holger.Rath@empolis.com' | | | | | | Karl | | | | I'm quite puzzled by your message. I don't know about my colleagues | Lars | | Marius and Holger, but I certainly missed, on purpose, the distinguo | | between "public comment" and "public discussion". In Topic Maps land, | all | | standardization process has always been very open and public. Maybe | it's | | again OASIS rules, but letting people *comment* without ability to | | *discuss* is something that I just can't understand, and even less | | *stand*. "We've heard what you have to say, thanks, we'll take it into | | account". This is the way it is done in many places, yes ... why? I | | wonder. And those places in any case I fly away from. | | For me, either a process is public, and there is a forum for public | | discussion, either it is not for some good reason, and all is private: | no | | public discussion, no public comment. Concerning our TCs (Published | | Subjects) work, I don't see *any* reason not to have public | discussion. I | | would say the more we have, the better. | | | | The work of Published Subjects TCs is deeply connected with other | working | | groups, like ISO SC34/WG3, or recently XRI, and hopefully other to | come, | | like OWL. Issues are discussed back and forth. If not on the public | lists, | | where are those exchanges supposed to be made? | | | | In which way public discussion is a problem? For whom? | | Why should the discussion be "prevented"? | | | | This latter expression just frightens me ... sorry, I've always been a | man | | of free speech. Is OASIS the wrong place for that? I hope not. | | | | Regards | | | | Bernard | | _____________________________________ | | | | Bernard Vatant | | Senior Consultant - Knowledge Engineering | | www.mondeca.com | | _____________________________________ | | | | | | | -----Original Message----- | | | From: Karl Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] | | | Sent: mardi 4 février 2003 18:52 | | | To: rkthunga@interposting.com; rexb@starbourne.com; | | | bernard.vatant@mondeca.com; larsga@garshol.priv.no; | | | Holger.Rath@empolis.com | | | | | | Ranjeeth and Rex (HumanML): | | | Bernard, Lars, Holger (TopicMaps): | | | | | | As part of moving our TC operations to the Kavi system I'm looking | at | | | how our mail lists should be configured. I'm concerned specifically | | | about the TC comment lists. When I refer back to the OASIS TC | Process | | | (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.shtml#visibility) I | see: | | | | | | "...Each TC shall be provided upon formation with a general list and | a | | | comment list.... The purpose of the TC comment list is to receive | | | comments from the public and is not for public discussion. The | comment | | | list of a TC shall be publicly subscribable. TCs shall not be | required | | | to respond to comments...." | | | | | | In particular I'm very concerned that various comment lists have | turned | | | into public discussion lists, yours in particular -- which I why I'm | | | corresponding with just you instead of all of the chairs. | | | | | | I need to set up the comment lists so that they can be used as | intended | | | simply for one-way communication, i.e. submission of comments from | the | | | public to the TC. A simple way to accomplish this would be for | messages | | | from the comment list to be forwarded to the TC list, but I have | doubts | | | of whether that would prevent discussions. The other option would be | for | | | the comments to be sent strictly to the chair, or to a small number | of | | | people nominated by the chair. But I'm not sure how this fits with | the | | | requirement that "The comment list of a TC shall be publicly | | | subscribable." Another option is to have the comment lists moderated | by | | | someone (who? the chair?) so that discussion can be prevented. | | | | | | Comments? | | | | | | | | | -Karl | | | | | | ================================================================= | | | Karl F. Best | | | Vice President, OASIS | | | +1 978.667.5115 x206 | | | karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org | | | | | ---------------------------------------------------------------- | To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription | manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>
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