Re: SV: [ubl-dev] Danish implementation of UBL published as Good Practice Case in the EU eGovernment Go

["Stephen Green" <stephengreenubl@gmail.com>]

Interesting article here
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480021.aspx
co-authored by the author of the report
:-)

On 02/02/07, Stephen Green <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk> wrote:
> Something about this sounds to me personally like
> one half of a circular argument.
>
> One half might be:
>
> we use these suppliers because they support technology x
>
> the other:
>
> we use technology x because these suppliers support it
>
> Does it to anyone else?
>
> Then it might become another half of a circular argument:
>
> country x does this because they think it more likely other countries, y, z will
>
> which has as it's other half of a circle:
>
> counties y,z do this because country x does it
>
> Which all condenses into just  'supplier x does it' - period :-)
>
> Sorry :-(
>
> Stephen Green
>
>
>
> >>> "Mikkel Hippe Brun" <MHB@itst.dk> 01/02/07 21:53:21 >>>
> Dear David and Sacha,
>
> Thank you for your comments. I suggest that we continue this discussion on
> ubl-dev.
>
> I was personally one of the promotors of using ebMS in the VAN infrastructure
> in Denmark. The National IT and Telecom Agency facilitated a process, where
> the VAN-operators developed the ebMS profile, and we were very happy with the
> outcome. ebMS is a simple and easy to read spec.
>
> However - we have not chosen to go with ebXML in the public sector for a
> number of reasons.
>
> * We had CBDI analyze and compare ebXML and the WS-* standards. See "The Role
> of ebXML and Web Service Protocols" at
> http://www.oio.dk/files/ebxml-og-webservices-soa-rapport-mvtu-v1.0.pdf  The
> pdf contains a Danish introduction but the rest is in English. The report
> emphazises that the WS-* standards has more traction and vendor support than
> ebXML.
>
> * We asked the industry and the public sector in Denmark to come up with
> business requirements for an infrastructure. We also asked them about their
> preference in regards to the choice of standards. We made it clear that the
> easy choice (from a technology viewpoint) would be to go with ebXML. The
> feedback we got was that they wanted us to follow the WS-* road rather than
> an ebXML road because large suppliers like BEA, IBM, Microsoft and Oracle
> were supporting the WS-* stank of standards and the resolution of
> interoperability issues in WS-I.
>
> Denmark is part of the NES group and discussions about infrastructure is also
> an important part of the collaboration. We have spent considerable time on
> discussing how we ensure that messages can flow freely between different
> network infrastructures (ie. and ebXML framework and a WS-* based framework).
> It is our goal that it should be possible to exchange UBL messages across
> borders and between networks. Sweden has been using an ebXML infrastructure
> and now Denmark is building an WS-* infrastructure. Denmark has a strong PKI
> infrastructure and Sweeden does not. None of this matters because the
> establishment of gateways will ensure that messages can flow freely.
>
> We are currently establishing gateways to the VAN-operators such that UBL
> messages will be able to flow between the networks. It would be possible for
> us to make a similar gateway to a pure internetbased use of ebXML her in
> Denmark should anyone request it.
>
> We have invested lots of resources in ensuring interoperability between the
> .Net platform and the Java platform (Axis Sandesha and Rampart). Supporting
> SMTP in addition to HTTP in combination with WS-Security and
> WS-ReliableMessaging has also been a difficult nut to crack. It has been
> difficult to achieve some of the same capabilities that we meet in ebXML. But
> it was a deliberate choice we made. We support the use of open standards and
> every line of code we produce in this projcet is donated to open source.
>
> We are in no way relegious about these issues. I do not beleive that Europe
> will have one homogenious infrastructure because of national and regional
> differences in how security is handled. I congratulate the people behind
> ebXML for producing high quality standards and free tools. I would love to
> see more use of UBL around the world on any infrastructure.
>
> Best regards
>
> Mikkel
>
>
> Mikkel Hippe Brun
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