Re: SV: [ubl-dev] Danish implementation of UBL published as GoodPractice Case in the EU eGovernment Good Practice Framework

[Sacha Schlegel <sacha_oasis@schlegel.li>]

Hi Mikkel

Thanks very much for your answers.

"It would be possible for us to make a similar gateway to a pure
internetbased use of ebXML her in Denmark should anyone request it."

--> this is very promising and forthcoming ... [1]

Are there any other NES voices who can share their infrastructure
requirements and plans? Are the NES infrastructure discussions public?

Kind regards.

Sacha Schlegel

[1] This is a joke: Hey David, wanna setup a company in Denmark? ;)


Am Donnerstag, den 01.02.2007, 22:53 +0100 schrieb Mikkel Hippe Brun:
> Dear David and Sacha,
>  
> Thank you for your comments. I suggest that we continue this
> discussion on ubl-dev.
>  
> I was personally one of the promotors of using ebMS in the VAN
> infrastructure in Denmark. The National IT and Telecom Agency
> facilitated a process, where the VAN-operators developed the ebMS
> profile, and we were very happy with the outcome. ebMS is a simple and
> easy to read spec. 
>  
> However - we have not chosen to go with ebXML in the public sector for
> a number of reasons.
>  
> * We had CBDI analyze and compare ebXML and the WS-* standards. See
> "The Role of ebXML and Web Service Protocols"
> at http://www.oio.dk/files/ebxml-og-webservices-soa-rapport-mvtu-v1.0.pdf  The pdf contains a Danish introduction but the rest is in English. The report emphazises that the WS-* standards has more traction and vendor support than ebXML.
>  
> * We asked the industry and the public sector in Denmark to come up
> with business requirements for an infrastructure. We also asked them
> about their preference in regards to the choice of standards. We made
> it clear that the easy choice (from a technology viewpoint) would be
> to go with ebXML. The feedback we got was that they wanted us to
> follow the WS-* road rather than an ebXML road because large suppliers
> like BEA, IBM, Microsoft and Oracle were supporting the WS-* stank of
> standards and the resolution of interoperability issues in WS-I.
>  
> Denmark is part of the NES group and discussions about infrastructure
> is also an important part of the collaboration. We have spent
> considerable time on discussing how we ensure that messages can flow
> freely between different network infrastructures (ie. and ebXML
> framework and a WS-* based framework). It is our goal that it should
> be possible to exchange UBL messages across borders and between
> networks. Sweden has been using an ebXML infrastructure and now
> Denmark is building an WS-* infrastructure. Denmark has a strong PKI
> infrastructure and Sweeden does not. None of this matters because the
> establishment of gateways will ensure that messages can flow freely.
>  
> We are currently establishing gateways to the VAN-operators such that
> UBL messages will be able to flow between the networks. It would be
> possible for us to make a similar gateway to a pure internetbased use
> of ebXML her in Denmark should anyone request it.
>  
> We have invested lots of resources in ensuring interoperability
> between the .Net platform and the Java platform (Axis Sandesha and
> Rampart). Supporting SMTP in addition to HTTP in combination with
> WS-Security and WS-ReliableMessaging has also been a difficult nut to
> crack. It has been difficult to achieve some of the same capabilities
> that we meet in ebXML. But it was a deliberate choice we made. We
> support the use of open standards and every line of code we produce in
> this projcet is donated to open source. 
>  
> We are in no way relegious about these issues. I do not beleive that
> Europe will have one homogenious infrastructure because of national
> and regional differences in how security is handled. I congratulate
> the people behind ebXML for producing high quality standards and free
> tools. I would love to see more use of UBL around the world on any
> infrastructure. 
>  
> Best regards
>  
> Mikkel
>  
>  
> Mikkel Hippe Brun 
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>  
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