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Subject: Re: Catalogue Re: [ubl-dev] B2B and IT standards... interesting paperand Gartner's view
Hi Steve, looks good..... Implementing that will probably keep me busy (and quiet) for a few days... :-) Regards David Stephen Green wrote: > Just to add an amended PreisShare xml file for a pricelist document > which matches the UBL equivalent at > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-dev/200702/msg00041.html > > <Price_List price_List_ID="007" issue_Date="2007-01-01"> > <Vendor_Information> > <PreisShare_ID>038454332</PreisShare_ID> > <Organisation_Name>Yada Computers</Organisation_Name> > <Address_Line_1>3a River Road</Address_Line_1> > <Address_Line_2/> > <Suburb_Town>Naremburn</Suburb_Town> > <State_Region>NSW</State_Region> > <ZIP_Postcode>2566</ZIP_Postcode> > <Country_Code list_ID="ISO3166-1" url="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-ubl-2.0/cl/gc/default/CountryIdentificationCode-2.0.gc";>AU</Country_Code> > </Vendor_Information> > <Receiver_Information> > <PreisShare_ID>1</PreisShare_ID> > <Organisation_Name></Organisation_Name> > <Address_Line_1></Address_Line_1> > <Address_Line_2/> > <Suburb_Town></Suburb_Town> > <State_Region></State_Region> > <ZIP_Postcode></ZIP_Postcode> > <Country_Code></Country_Code> > </Receiver_Information> > <Product_Information> > <Product_Group> > <Group_Description>Parts</Group_Description> > <Product_Items> > <Product> > <PLU>37380</PLU> > <Name>Net Switch 10/100 24P rt 19"</Name> > <Actual_Price iso_3166-1_Currency_Code="NZD" url="http://docs.oasis-open.org/UBL/os-UBL-2.0/cl/gc/cefact/CurrencyCode-2.0.gc";>106.6</Actual_Price> > <Price_Base_Quantity unece_7_04_Units_Of_Measure_Code="C62" unece_7_04_Units_Of_Measure_Name="one" url="http://docs.oasis-open.org/UBL/os-UBL-2.0/cl/gc/cefact/UnitOfMeasureCode-2.0.gc";>1</Price_Base_Quantity> > </Product> > <Product> > <PLU>GE00447</PLU> > <Name>Geh K Ext. LC-POWER EH-25MP Multimedia HDD Player 2,5"</Name> > <Actual_Price/> > </Product> > </Product_Items> > </Product_Group> > </Product_Information> > </Price_List> > > I just added a few things like document ID and issue date (attributes on document root), > codelist bindings to help UBL-interop and base quantity added to price (seems sensible). > > My UBL subset adds a few things like multiple descriptive elements (for multiple languages > - a good add from Denmark to UBL documents in general I think), a country name, etc in > addresses (in case a country is created which doesn't yet have a code) and other minor > things. Otherwise the subset at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-dev/200702/msg00041.html > seems a close match to the PreisShare xml format. Hence I'd suggest encapsulating it in some > CAM. > > All the best > > Stephen Green > > > > >>>> David Lyon <david.lyon@preisshare.net> 05/02/07 07:26:57 >>> >>>> > Hi Roger, > > After two weeks of asking I can't get anybody to give me a simple > example of a UBL catalogue file. They either don't have any or don't > want to give me any. Maybe it's just not developed.. .. I really don't > know... > > So if you are doing mass interconnections or about to on a vast scale > with UBL, then it obviously that means that you've overcome these issues > and are in the clear jetstream... > > Well, quite frankly, that's very good to hear... > > Meanwhile, I will very patiently await my example file to come.... I'm > interested to see how long it will take.... > > Best Regards > > David > > > Roger Bass wrote: > >> David, >> >> The points in my email were pretty high level strategic ones. I'm not >> quite clear which points if any you're disagreeing with there. >> >> I do agree that this is all quite some way from the more immediate >> concerns faced by SMBs, and the companies trying to solve these >> problems for them - which include my company as well as yours. The >> behavior you describe of large companies with their "supplier portals" >> is very familiar to us too. Indeed, I see that behavior as driving >> demand from SMBs for solutions like my company's. And I expect and >> hope to see much more of it! >> >> You say these big companies don't provide any automated upload >> capabilities. Well, in specific cases that may or may not be true. >> It's certainly not what's promoted, and the individual large companies >> may not even know about it, but my sense is that in an increasing >> number of cases, there are in fact ways to connect programmatically >> using XML standards. I'm working through these issues now with some of >> the very big names in the industry so that we can actually deliver a >> solution that is able to make those connections at vast scale. >> >> Best, >> Roger >> >> PS: btw, I didn't get what you meant about business reporting >> mechanisms not mentioning this etc >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* David Lyon [mailto:david.lyon@preisshare.net] >> *Sent:* Sun 2/4/2007 3:35 PM >> *To:* Roger Bass >> *Cc:* ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org >> *Subject:* Re: [ubl-dev] B2B and IT standards... interesting paper and >> Gartner's view >> >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> They're interesting points. >> >> I'd just like to add an alternate perspective that I see at some of my >> clients. They're not the same clients as Gartner would have. They're >> much smaller of course. >> >> A lot of these clients are in reality going backwards in productivity >> with regards to IT and B2B standards. >> >> The reason for this is quite simple. >> >> Large companies now have complex websites and are more commonly refusing >> to do data entry. Instead making their smaller Customers do double entry >> instead. First into their own accounting system and then into the >> suppliers website/online system. >> >> This of course goes against the grain of what many of us promote, >> exchanging business messaging. But it's quite true. >> >> I can name many large international companies who work this way. They >> don't provide any web-services with automatic upload capabilities. Just >> browser based entry screens. >> >> So whilst Gartner may say it is one way that relates to their own >> clients, there is a whole 'nother business world out there where the >> reality is entirely different. >> >> And the numbers of businesses that operate in this 'alternate' system is >> the majority by number... but none of the actual business reporting >> mechanisms will mention this because of various commercial loyalties and >> concerns that are in place with the big players. >> >> Regards >> >> Davod >> >> >> Roger Bass wrote: >> >>> In view of the discussion about ebXML and WS-*, I wanted to share a >>> >> couple of things that seem potentially relevant. >> >>> This paper http://www.w3.org/2007/01/wos-papers/gall >>> >> <http://www.w3.org/2007/01/wos-papers/gall> (from a Gartner VP no >> less), talks about how the whole WS-* stack is actually antithetical >> to web architecture principles, and calls for a new focus at the W3C >> on a set of A2A protocols (and by implication, B2B as a subset) that >> are more weblike, leaving the big IT middleware vendors to evolve WS-* >> on their own. He also makes some interesting points about how >> web-like resource architectures are inherently more viral, ie may >> proliferate faster (though he doesn't quite say it like that). >> >>> Separately, but quite related I think, Gartner's B2B research leads >>> >> are articulating a vision that explicitly states that B2B >> infrastructure will become the infrastructure for IT outsourcing. And >> with services in the cloud proliferating and increasingly valuable, >> the architecture for IT outsourcing will increasingly become the >> architecture for IT, period. >> >>> So, an interesting hypothesis emerges - whatever standards and >>> >> technologies win in B2B eventually win everywhere. >> >>> The Danish paper implicitly argues the other way around - WS-* is >>> >> winning within the enterprise, so it will win in B2B. The points here >> suggest that that may not necessarily be so. >> >>> Regards, >>> Roger >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Please note the new simpler name for our website: http://www.bristol.gov.uk > > Our email addresses have also changed - visit http://www.bristol.gov.uk/bigchange for further details. > > Sign-up for our email bulletin giving news, have-your-say and event information at: http://www.bristol.gov.uk/newsdirect > > > > >
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