Re: [ubl-dev] UBL vs UN/CEFACT and cakes?

["Stephen Green" <stephen.green@bristol.gov.uk>]

LOL :-)

>>> "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info> 23/07/09 15:28 >>>
Stephen,

All this runaway complexity favours consulting companies and solution
vendors of course.

So while everyone talks about simplicity the reality is that things
continue in status quo - and few have any real incentive to tackle the
root challenges.

Worse - local and federal government continue to build ever more forms
and procedures as job security and as buffers to manage the cake eating
populous at large - and computers have just accelerated that trend. 
There is a form for everything imaginable now in life - actually
probably 20 to 50 forms of the same thing - across the EU, USA, Asia et
al - computers are literally burying us on paper like never before.

However - there is a faint ray of hope in the ever present darkened
clouds - you only get one guess - and the first guess does not count.

As usual though - getting people to eat a different type of
(non-fattening / healthier / greener) cake is not an easy not instant
process. 

Does it really taste the same and do the same things are the original
stodgy cake everyone has been selling us for these past years?  And of
course the lemming effect - who else is eating this new cake?

We shall see...

Thanks, DW


   -------- Original Message --------
 Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] RE: [LIKELY JUNK]Re: [ubl-dev] UBL vs UN/CEFACT
 From: Stephen Green <stephengreenubl@gmail.com>
 Date: Thu, July 23, 2009 10:11 am
 To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org 
 
 Then again, the way we lowly local gov IT workers get treated, why do
we even care what
infrastructure society gets. "Let them eat cake" - let them be lumbered
with EDI and/or
paper.
---
Stephen D Green
 
 

2009/7/23 Stephen Green <stephengreenubl@gmail.com>
 [OK, I'll bite the bullet and stop 'beating about the bush'. No
employer endorsement
of what follows, it is just my own questioning and discussion points.]

Say I work for a local authority. If such an organisation were to
purchase an Oracle
 or SAP financial system, what XML format would they be getting to do
their ordering
and invoicing? Not UBL, I guess (unless requested). What then? OAGIS?
GS1-XML?
cXML? xCBL? BASDA's eBIS-XML? Or would they be expected to just use EDI?
 How would that position them regarding any small business office
stationary suppliers
etc? How would it affect by knock-on effect those small business
suppliers when they
trade with other small businesses or, say, smaller local authorities or
local charities?
 What kind of infrastructure does it start to create? In UK the central
gov answers to
these kinds of questions might have influenced the recommendation to use
UBL or,
for invoices and orders only, locally developed BASDA eBIS-XML (or its
government-
 modelled flavour). Likewise influencing the development of the NES UBL
subset since
what is good for the UK is probably good for other EU countries too and
for anything
used to create common standards across EU government departments (IDABC 
 territory/concern) AFAIK.
---
Stephen D Green




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