Re: [ubl-lcsc] UBL Schema 1.0-alpha draft-8

[jon.bosak@sun.com]

| >I'd suppose as long as our production process
| >takes codelists from UN/ECE site, and as long as UN/ECE site
| >states:
| >
| >http://www.unece.org/etrades/uncopyright.htm
| >
| >(with particular reference to clause 2a)
| >
| >then I personally believe I would respect that.
| 
| Sue, I think what Chee-Kai raises above does, indeed, prevent us
| from using the files.  I recall in our telephone conversations
| that it was your intuition that the documents were totally
| exploitable ... can you find any exemptions to the above clause
| that would allow us to work with these files?

The UN/ECE position is in my opinion no longer relevant to this
discussion.  The relevant policy is contained in the announcement
issued by ISO this week.  Here's the URL again:

   http://www.iso.org/iso/en/commcentre/pressreleases/2003/Ref871.html

I have copied the contents of the ISO announcement below.

This paragraph seems to me particularly relevant:

   If a user of the codes, such as a software developer, wishes to
   claim that its product incorporates the codes in conformity
   with the ISO standards (which could be perceived by the market
   as an added value), then it would have an interest in buying
   the standards to make sure that this is indeed the case. But
   this is a "one-off" transaction for purchase of the standards;
   ISO does not subsequently charge a fee for use of the codes in
   the software product and has no plans for doing so.

The way we "use the codes" in a UBL software product is to include
an enumerated list of those codes in the appropriate UBL schemas
so that that schema-aware software can validate against them.
Does anyone understand the ISO policy promulgated 30 September
2003 in a way that would contradict this interpretation?

Jon

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Ref.: 871
30 September 2003

ISO reaffirms free-of-charge use of its country, currency and language
codes

/ISO issues the following statement in response to recently publicized
misunderstandings of its current practice and intentions regarding its
widely used country, currency and language codes./

    * ISO is to continue with its established practice of allowing
      free-of-charge use of its country, currency and language codes
      from, respectively, the ISO 3166, ISO 4217 and ISO 639 standards,
      in commercial and other applications.

    * There is no proposal currently being considered by ISO to impose
      charges for use of these codes, including on the World Wide Web
      and in software applications.

Based on international consensus reached within the ISO standards
development system, these codes reduce the confusion that could be
created if there were multiple, conflicting codes in common use. The
development of the Web and of electronic commerce has been facilitated
by the existence of the ISO standardized codes and their use has become
pervasive.

ISO encourages such developments by making the two-letter country codes
contained in ISO 3166 available free of charge on ISO's Web site
<../../../prods-services/iso3166ma/index.html>, along with a great deal
of regularly updated information related to the codes and their use. The
ISO Web site also has hyperlinks to the sites of the British Standards
Institution (BSI) and the US Library of Congress - where the currency
<http://www.bsi-global.com/Technical%2BInformation/Publications/_Publications/tig90.xalter>
and language <http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/langcodes.html>
codes are, respectively, publicly available.

The full ISO 3166, ISO 4217 and ISO 639 standards from which these codes
are drawn are available from ISO and its members on a sales basis, as a
contribution to supporting the standards development process. However,
ISO and its members do not charge for the use made of the codes
contained in these standards, subject to this being consistent with
ISO's copyright. For example, ISO does not charge organizations for the
inclusion of the country codes in their Internet domain names, and ISO
does not charge banks for using the currency codes in their electronic
financial transactions.

If a user of the codes, such as a software developer, wishes to claim
that its product incorporates the codes in conformity with the ISO
standards (which could be perceived by the market as an added value),
then it would have an interest in buying the standards to make sure that
this is indeed the case. But this is a "one-off" transaction for
purchase of the standards; ISO does not subsequently charge a fee for
use of the codes in the software product and has no plans for doing so.

Like many organizations, ISO continually reviews its practices and
products in order to provide added value to its customers. With regard
to ISO 3166, ISO is considering a proposal to develop an optional
software service package that would facilitate incorporation and
maintenance of the country codes in IT products. The service package
being considered would include regular updating of the codes, which
would add value to products because they would be conforming to the
International Standard ISO 3166. The service package being considered
would be a charged option. However, no decision has yet been made to go
ahead and even if this option were developed, ISO will continue to allow
use of its country, currency and language codes free of charge.

*Press contact: *

Roger Frost
Press and Communication Manager
Public Relations Services
Tel. +41 22 749 01 11
Fax +41 22 733 34 30
E-mail frost@iso.org <mailto:%20frost@iso.org>



	
	


		

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