[ubl-ndrsc] Minutes for 16 Oct 2002 NDR Teleconference

["CRAWFORD, Mark" <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>]

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Mark
Mark Crawford
Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead
Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC
Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
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Title: The NDR SC met by phone on Wednesday, 16 October 2002:

The NDR SC met by phone on Wednesday, 16 October 2002:

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2002&mon=10&day=16&hour=15&min=30&sec=0

 

1.                  Roll call (quorum is 8):

 

Bill Burcham                               Yes

Mavis Cournane                         Yes – left at Y:55

Mark Crawford                          Yes

Fabrice Desré                            No

Arofan Gregory                          No

Jessica Glace                              Regrets

Michael Grimley                         Yes

Eduardo Gutentag                      Yes

Eve Maler                                  No

Sue Probert                                Yes

Lisa Seaburg                              Yes

Gunther Stuhec                           Yes

Paul Thorpe                               No

Kris Ketels                                 No

 

Quorum achieved.

 

Observers:  Jon Bosak – left at Y:52

 

2. The Minutes from the 1-4 October 2002 F2F were accepted.

     http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-ndrsc/200210/msg00003.html

 

3. Adoption of agenda

 

            Adopted.

 

4. Review action items and status

 

        Paul:

-         Do an analysis of the "XML Constructs" chapter to figure out the

      XML/XSD-specificity question at a finer granularity, and make any

      editorial suggestions based on the analysis.

           

Status: Paul not on call.  Mavis to ping Paul for update.

 

    Mavis:

-         Turn the free normative text in the NDR document into isolated, numbered rules.

           

Status: Still Pending.

 

    Mavis and Bill:

   

-         Get together offline to move the appropriate modnamver paper content into the NDR document.

           

Status:     40% Complete. ECD 22 October.

 

    Bill:

-         Revise the NDR metamodel to reflect the CCTS V1.85 metamodel, including giving explanations of how the naming works between the two systems.  This needs to include documentation of the rules already being applied in the spreadsheet formulae.

 

Status:     Complete.  See Section 3 of version .17

 

    Eve:

-         Propose some declarative text describing XML's minimum character set/character encoding expectations and saying that UBL has the same minimum mandatory-to-implement expectations.

 

Status:     Complete

 

-         Compile a list of the supplementary compenents and their definitions on a per-CCT basis.

 

Status:     In progress

 

-         Ask the Sun XML community to analyze the seriousness of the fragment processing problem with local elements.

 

                        Status:  In progress

 

-         Write up her concern about the use case of using UBL components without change, while having software that's not type-aware.

     

Status:  Complete – still waiting on posting to listserve.  Mark to ping Eve.

 

    Jessica:

-         Send her flow diagram of hiding and exposing namespaces to the list for inclusion in the NDR document.  

 

Status:     Complete

 

Work Plan:

 

Priority	Work Item	Status	Responsibility
A	Issues appearing in the NDR document	Break down into smaller pieces	Mavis
A	Local vs. global –	Needs Final Resolution	Open
A	Code lists	Needs new draft	Eve
A	CCT module work	In progress.  Needs to be broken down into smaller pieces.	Open
A	Containership	Joint effort with LC needs final resolution	Arofan was volunteered by Lisa
B	Referencing strategies  .	Part of CCT Module Work. Update in progress	Gunter
B	Naming rules	Done	Mavis
C	Facet outreach	Still working	Lisa and Gunter
C	MODNAMVER	Still working	Bill
C	Embedded documentation	Needs to be moved to NDR document	Arofan
C	ASN.1 schema	Done – However there is an issue within the group on how/should to present this	Larmouth
C	Updating guiding principles	In Progress	Mavis
C	Wildcards	Open	Lisa
C	Nillability	Open	Lisa
C	Instance Constraints	Open	Lisa

 

 

5. Review new draft of NDR document

 

Bill walked team through new section 3.  Several issues were raised regarding primitive type versus data type.  Bill is to review CCTS v1.85 and more closely align new material with that specification.  Team agreed that Bill and Mavis can make changes based on today’s discussions and release for next review.  Intent is for Bill and Mavis to pre-release to NDR on Monday 10/21 for 24 hour quick review prior to release to NDR portal on 10/22.

 

6. Take final decision on local vs. global

 

Eduardo made a motion that we change our position to global, qualified.  Mavis seconded.  A vote was taken.  Seven for, one against.  Bill requested his name be recorded as opposed. Mavis will incorporate proper words into NDR document.  Group agreed that Eve’s paper should be posted on portal.  Group agreed that there needs to be some criteria developed to determine if this (and which of all other) position paper(s) should be incorporated in to NDR document as appendices. 

 

7. Take tentative decision on containership

 

-     Review writeup in the 1-4 October minutes

-     Does anything need to be added to the NDR document?

 

Group had not properly prepared.  Deferred until next week.

 

8. Approve new draft of NDR document for publication

 

See notes from item #5 above.

 

9.                   Document Assembly issue – There are implications to containership when we begin to look at reusable libraries and different document constructs.  This is clearly an assembly issue, and there is a need for NDR to look at the issue and determine an approach.  There appears to be general agreement that this is a potential issue, however the team feels that the timing of the issue is not right and this issue should be deferred until more work is done in LC to create the artifacts that could cause this problem to be realized.

 

10. Adjourn @ y:59