RE: [ubl-tsc] Question about consignments and shipments

["Roberto Cisternino" <roberto@javest.com>]

>..."supplier/buyer, or ?) when relating to "shipment"

Do you mean the shipper (exporter which is usually the seller) ?

Roberto

> Jon,
> I am just now catching up on the email exchanges after recovering from
> power
> outages and oppressive heat (still).
>
>  I am definitely in support of your suggestion about capturing this
> discussion about shipments and consignments in the hub document. I believe
> a
> separate subsection somewhere near the front of the document may be best
> since both procurement and transport use the term "shipment" if not also
> "consignment".
> Tim's charts along with the comments by Roberto seem to have sufficient
> substance to make amplify "shipment" "consignment" and their
> interrelationship. This rests predominantly on "context." In this case the
> contexts are "consignor/consignee" when relating to goods/consignment, and
> "supplier/buyer, or ?) when relating to "shipment".
>  I think the graphics are useful enough to include in the hubdoc as well
> though they need a bit of explanation.
>
> Perhaps we can discuss this at the next TC call?
> Andy
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [ubl-tsc] Question about consignments and shipments
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> Very helpful, Roberto.  Thanks!
>
> Jon
>
> Roberto Cisternino wrote:
>> The "Shipment", when facilitated by an international freight
>> forwarder, represents the whole end-to-end organization of the goods
>> transport on behalf of the Shipper.
>>
>> A Shipment possibly involves one or more Carriers and related
>> transport contracts (one or more consignments in a single shipment).
>>
>> The consolidated shipment is a transport optimization organized by the
>> freight forwarder to ensure a given container is fully loaded (FCL -
>> Full Container Load). This is to save money but also to provide a more
>> competitive tariff.
>>
>> In a single container the freight forwarder can consolidate several
>> consignments of different Shippers (AKA: grouppage) until the
>> container is full.
>>
>> So we have these cases:
>> a) 1 Shipment - 1 Consignment
>> b) 1 Shipment - many Consignments (many carriers) of the same Shipper
>> c) 1 Shipment - many Consignment of different Shippers
>> (grouppage/consolidated shipment)
>> d) Splitted shipment (huge shipment) even using different vessels (so
>> pratically different consignments)
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Ciao
>> Roberto
>>
>>> The slides help a lot -- thanks.  Perhaps we can put some version of
>>> this in the hubdoc?
>>>
>>> I'm still wondering about "consolidated shipment" (Consignment.
>>> Consolidated_ Shipment. Shipment). Is this one of the shipments shown
>>> in slide 5, or is this something else that combines a set of shipment
>>> pieces into a synthetic shipment for some legal purpose?
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> Tim McGrath wrote:
>>>> here is my slides describing the 'split' and 'consolidation' options
>>>> for shipments and consignments.  we struggled a long time on these
>>>> definitions and actually got them approved by experts so we have to
>>>> be careful changing them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/07/12 5:03 AM, Jon Bosak wrote:
>>>>> Hello TSC,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in the process of reviewing the definitions in the common
>>>>> library and am now considering the ABIE "Consignment" (Consignment.
> Details).
>>>>> I
>>>>> note that a consignment (row 284) can contain multiple shipments
>>>>> (under the name "Consignment. Consolidated_ Shipment. Shipment",
>>>>> row 344), but I also note that every shipment (row 1672) can
>>>>> contain multiple consignments (under the name Shipment.
>>>>> Consignment, row 1694). This has something to do with the notion of
>>>>> consolidation, but I can't figure out what.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are consignments collections of shipments, or are shipments
>>>>> collections of consignments?  And what does this have to do with
> consolidation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
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