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Subject: Re: [ubl] MINUTES OF EUROPE/ASIA UBL TC MEETING 8 June 2005


Dear TC,

Just want to correct what I said yesterday. I've checked the most 
up-to-date attendance list of the ebXML Asia Committee meeting. Twenty 
participants (instead of ten) have registered. The agendas for task 
group and plenary meetings are attached.

Regards,
Thomas

Tim McGrath wrote:

>
>
> MINUTES OF EUROPE/ASIA UBL TC MEETING
> 08H00 - 10H00 UTC WEDNESDAY 8 JUNE 2005
>
> ATTENDANCE
>
> 1. Rollcall
> Tim McGrath
> Mavis Cournane
> Thomas Lee
> Peter Borresen
> Sue Probert Mikkel Brun
> Ralph Ho DTTN - invited expert
> Lun Cheng DTTN - invited expert
>
> 2. Liaison Report
> ebXML Asia update
> There are about 10 people registered for ebXML Asia including Patrick 
> Chan the OASIS Asia/Pacific representative.
> There will be a UBL presentation at that meeting.
> Thomas will be doing the presentation and talk about UN/CEFACT 
> negotiations and feasability study.
>
> 3. Subcommittees & Team Reports
> HISC wants to know as early as possible the type and number of 
> document types we will be producing for UBL 2.0. The HISC is also 
> laising with UN/eDocs about mapping to the UN layout key.
> So there are two streams of discussion going on with UN/eDocs one on 
> alignment and one by HISC.
>
> We have representatives from the transport and the EU government 
> groups on this call.
>
> 4. Extended procurement process
> Peter Borresen is about to update the next draft of this document and 
> implement comments received. Some work has been done with other Danish 
> experts.
> The procurement process will look a lot like that suggested by the OGC 
> Group. For exmaple , a Rectification Advice is needed to correct a 
> delivery that does not meet the order requirements (we cannot just use 
> another DeliveryAdvice).
>
> 5. C of Origin from Crimson Logic and the DTTN contributions
> At a discussion last week with DTTN who developed the transport 
> models, it was suggested we package the DTTN submission such that we 
> are looking at 3 additional document types:
> The BillofLading, WayBill, and ForwardingInstruction.
> These were identified in the APEC paperless trading initiative as the 
> three documents essential for international trade.
> To develop those 3 documents means incorporating 90% of the reusable 
> library (the common reusable components for the international trade 
> and transport context of use). This is a good reason to split the 
> library into core reusable and common reusable.
> DTTN are still looking at the C of Origin from Singapore.
>
> 6. UBL 2.0 Issues list
> All the requirements from the various submissions need to be put in to 
> the issues list.
> We are attempting to bring the Crimson Logic and the DTTN, the 
> European and Tax XML submissions in to one set of issues.
>
> 7. Tax XML Requirements
> Tax XML have produced a document showing how they believe that tax 
> items should appear. They believe that 13-14 items should be added to 
> UBL and a similar number are questioned.
> We recognize a difference of purpose between TAX XML and UBL 2.0.  
> Theirs is to allow tax reporting, ours is to support business 
> processes for procurement (and transportation). So we have a choice of 
> approaches when
> dealing with Tax issues.
> The first option is to create structures that satisfy every regulatory 
> environment for tax. i.e have hardwired in to UBL, the british 
> government VAT requirements, the french consumption tax requirements, 
> US Sales Tax , etc, etc...
> We may be better off to have a generic tax model and a set of 
> guidelines how to use the model for British tax etc. The people who 
> understand those taxes should be responsible for developing those 
> guidelines.
> Perhaps we should work with TAX XML to produce guidelines, maybe one 
> for direct taxes and one for indirect taxes.  It was noted that some 
> of Tax XML's requirements for additional items appear justified as well.
>
> 8. Alignment with UNedocs
> The current thinking of the feasability study is if we were to develop 
> a common core comp library that incorporated the implicit core 
> components used in UBL 1.0 and the explicit core components suggested 
> by UNedocs, that can provide the basis for developing UBL 2.0 in a way 
> that would align with UNedocs and also satisfy requirements for the 
> Core Component technical specification.
>
> We may only need to focus on a one way mapping for alignment. UNedocs 
> is a printed document format. The idea is you can take UBL document 
> and use the logical mapping to UNedocs as a way of producing physical 
> maps to printed forms (such as the UN Layout Key).
>
> By the end of July we will be in a position where we understand more 
> clearly how to create the three layered/contextualized models. That 
> also is an essential requirement for the UBL tools group.
>
> 9. NDR Work
> DTTN will share their use of NDR with the NDR group.  They will also 
> look at the proposed UBL Code List strategy (Mavis to supply - see 
> email addresses above)
>
> Bryan Rasmussen from the Danish Government will look at the UBL 
> Customisation document and provide input to it.
>
> 10. Work Plan and Schedule
>
> Suggestion to revise as follows:
>
>   20 Jun 2005 Finalize and agree requirements/issues list for 2.0
>               - Extended Procurement process
>               - Tax requirements
>               - Trade and Transport process
>   21 Jun 2005 Begin updating spreadsheet models
>               - Agree to model changes                - Agree changes 
> to the NDR
>               - Reconfigure tools as required   04 Jul 2005 Begin TC 
> Review Number 1 (data model only)
>               - Load spreadsheets into EDIFIX and test/revise until 
> synchronized
>   11 Jul 2005 GEFEG gets all the schema changes decided so far
>   08 Aug 2005 All-week UBL TC meeting in Ottawa hosted by Adobe:
>               - Review of the spreadsheet and EDIFIX models.
>               - Comment disposition, Review Number 1;               - 
> Begin final schema generation for Review Number 2
>
>


-- 
Thomas Lee
Chief Technology Officer
Center for E-Commerce Infrastructure Development
The University of Hong Kong
mailto:ytlee@cecid.hku.hk
http://www.cecid.hku.hk
(852) 2241 5388
(852) 2547 4611 (FAX) 

RRF-Agenda.doc

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