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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 20|21 2005
MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING
00H30 - 02H30 UTC TUESDAY 21 JUNE 2005
ATTENDANCE
Jon Bosak (chair)
Micah Dubinko
John Glaubitz (Tax XML TC)
Stephen Green
Ken Holman
Tim McGrath
Sylvia Webb
STANDING ITEMS
Additions to the calendar (http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm)
TimM: Take the question mark off the July 1 event; it's set,
and MikkelB will be there.
KenH: Only three people have registered for the August TC
meeting in Ottawa.
JonB: This is typical, but it makes planning difficult.
People intending to go to the meeting should let us know.
Liaison report: Tax XML TC
SylviaW: Due to a kavi mixup, the Tax XML TC did not meet
last week as originally planned.
JohnG: There will be a full TC meeting on 6/30, and we will
put the UBL invitation to work collaboratively on the tax
components of UBL 2.0 documents on the agenda. We're also
considering how best to work with UNeDocs.
Subcommittee report: HISC
KenH: We've enumerated our 2.0 tasks for the schedule but
have not determined dates yet; we will discuss this in our
meeting tomorrow. What is the meaning of "phase 1 content"
and "phase 2 content"?
JonB: From the message containing the revised schedule:
- The basic organizing principle on which this schedule is
based is the division of the content deliverables into
two phases. Phase one includes the original UBL 1.0
order-to-invoice documents plus the three (or so) new
pre-order documents and the three (or so) new
post-invoice documents needed to satisfy European
e-procurement and taxation requirements. The specific
document types to be added in phase one to implement what
we've been calling the "extended process model" are
expected to be agreed on by the end of the coming week.
Phase two adds trade documents developed with the help of
our members in Hong Kong and catalog documents developed
with the help of our members in Denmark. These additions
are considered highly desirable for UBL 2.0 but will be
included in the UBL 2.0 release only if we can do so
without slipping the delivery schedule.
TimM: Note that the "extended process model" should really
be called the "extended procurement process model."
KenH: We should add a phase 0 in which we use the existing
UBL 1.0 models to set up our new geometry-based
specification (or grid position methodology) for mapping to
UNLK cells.
AGREED that we will front-load the HISC work by using UBL
1.0 as preliminary "phase 0" input, understanding that some
1.0 content may change in 2.0 (with the delivery of phase 1)
but believing that these tweaks will be relatively minor and
consist largely or entirely of extensions to the 1.0 model.
StephenG: Maybe we could do the same with the SBS for 2.0.
Subcommittee report: SBSC
StephenG: Waiting on the TC now. We have received a comment
from Bryan Rasmussen asking for real content in example
instances.
ACTION: TimM to discuss the request for example instances
with Saito-san in the Eurasia call.
Team report: E-procurement (was European input)
TimM: The group is on the line to deliver the extended
procurement model this week. Will be calling in to the F2F
in London later today to check on this. The final process
will add 3-4 pre-order documents and 4-5 post-invoice
documents to the UBL 1.0 set. Plan is to publish the
extended model to the UBL list following a meeting on
Friday. The group is also creating a white paper on the
modeling of parties; there is general agreement that we need
a formal mechanism for representing the roles that parties
play in a process. This is also on the agenda to finalize
this week.
Team report: Transportation (aka transport)
TimM: DTTN (Hong Kong) and Crimsonlogic (Singapore) have
established a meeting schedule, and we've held our first
three-way meeting. The task is to consolidate the
Certificate of Origin with the massive DTTN model donated to
UBL 2.0 and come up with a business process model for trade
and transport that parallels the extended procurement model.
The added documents for UBL 2.0 will be the CO plus Bill of
Lading, Waybill, and Forwarding Instruction. The model will
be based on the work already done to incorporate CO, which
was developed as part of an APEC Ecommerce Interoperability
Project and will be used in a pilot project between Taipei
and Singapore. The group is aiming to have this work done
within the UBL 2.0 schedule posted last week.
TimM: It's been made clear to both the eprocurement and
transportation teams that we will continue to rely on them
to provide expert resources for UBL 2.0, including
assistance for HISC.
JonB: And we will similarly be relying on the participation
of the Tax XML TC to get the tax-related data right.
Review of Eurasia and Atlantic TC minutes
No comments.
ACTION ITEM REVIEW
ACTION: JonB to schedule a discussion of CCTS compliance that
will include MarkC and MichaelD.
Status: This is waiting MarkC's return from vacation. The
question (which arose out of email) is: in what way is 1.0
not CCTS compliant, and how can we ensure that 2.0 is
compliant? Issues include ACCs and CC types.
Discussion about CCTS schemas (which is a different issue).
We think we decided earlier that we would use the ATG2
versions; this will require changes to our NDRs.
StephenG/TimM: Resolution needs to come before we decide
about code lists and substitution groups.
AGREED to modify row 4 of the draft 2.0 schedule for July to
put ATG2 data type schemas at 7/11, substitution groups at
7/18, and code list structure plus consideration of ATG2
code list schemas at 7/25, with corresponding revisions to
row 8.
AGREED that we will use these three weeks (7/11-7/25) to
explore the issues and aim for final resolution at the
meeting in Ottawa, which will need to conclude with an
approved list of schema programming changes, with editorial
NDR work to follow the meeting. It is understood that this
is a very tight and tricky part of the schedule.
AGREED that in order to expose NDR issues and front load the
schedule, the current set of programming changes should be
done using the ATG2 CCTS schema modules.
ACTION: TimM to contact BettyH to arrange a return of the
issues list to her care as soon as it has reached a stage where
this is possible.
Status: The issues list is not stable enough yet.
ACTION: TimM to update PeterB on this preference for inclusion
in the party white paper. [AGREED that it is better to model
these roles as parties rather than addresses or contacts.]
Status: Done. PeterB has just produced a new version of the
paper that hasn't been reviewed yet.
ACTION: SylviaW to communicate this sentiment to the Indirect
Taxation SC meeting this week. [AGREED that we wish to involve
experts from the Tax XML in helping with the design and
describing how the general structures in UBL 2.0 can be applied
to specific application scenarios.]
Status: Done; will be discussed next week in the Tax XML TC.
UBL 2.0 SCHEDULING
AGREED that the work on customization in row 8 of the schedule
for October should be moved to its own row; this discussion
needs to include both NDR and the teams working on content.
CONTENT WORK
SylviaW has updated the content issues list with Tax XML
requirements and sent it to the list.
TimM: (explains our suggested approach to taxation
requirements; see previous TC minutes)
JohnG: Implementation guides sound like a good way to approach
this. Tax XML TC will be discussing this next week to
determine how we can help.
ACTION: TimM and SylviaW to create a one-page briefing for
input to next week's Tax XML TC meeting.
NEXT THREE WEEKS
The tax-related content work breaks down into three categories:
1. Parties
2. Tax structure, including rates and amounts
3. Line reporting
We have the next three weeks to resolve this set of issues and
define the new content model. We will take one of these
categories each week, as follows:
27|28 June in the Pacific TC call
6 July in the Eurasia work session
11|12 July in the Pacific TC call
PeterB owns the issues list for the moment; when that comes
back, we need to add another item dealing with payment terms as
reported by Oriol Bausa on the list last week. We think we may
already have discussed the inclusion of payment terms and
payment means after the release of 1.0 in November.
ACTION: SylviaW to find out where we stand with payment terms
and payment means, TimM to respond to Oriol.
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