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Subject: Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 7 June 2006
MINUTES OF ATLANTIC UBL TC MEETING 15:00 - 17:00 UTC WEDNESDAY 7 JUNE 2006 ATTENDANCE Jon Bosak (chair) Peter Borresen Tony Coates Mavis Cournane Michael Grimley G. Ken Holman Zarella Rendon Andy Schoka Paul Thorpe Sylvia Webb STANDING ITEMS Additions to the calendar: http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm PB: TBG1 meeting in Brussels 9 June; NES F2F in Helsinki, 14-15 June. Review of Pacific call JB: Regarding UN/CEFACT: should also note new CEFACT IPR policy; will allow a number of big software vendors to participate. AGREED with Pacific call decision to freeze features now and put further requests for enhancement into a list for 2.1. AGREED with Pacific call decision to keep the next public review to the two weeks mandated by the OASIS process. AGREED with Pacific call regarding approval of our representatives to the UN/UBL collaboration activities, etc. Schedule review http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200602/msg00107.html PB: Have created final spreadsheets, but prevented by an email problem from sending to the list. Will send directly to SW along with the entire FX data model. Have also generated schemas from the latest spreadsheets, but this was using the previous version of FX, so the schemas are not compliant with current NDR. SW: Have the latest version of FX and will begin testing this evening, then send the software update to PB. ACTION: PB to try to finish the resoluton list Friday and send to the ubl list. JB: But the resolution list is not the same as a difference list. We will have to think about that for public review. PB: We will need release notes. JB: We're about two weeks behind if you count editorial work that TM and I have to do. GKH: If we created an interim package, I could try it out with an upcoming class. JB: Let's try this: Roll up a new package with the new schemas but the old editorial content, just for test purposes; GKH tries that out on his class; TM and JB do the editorial work, and by that time we have answers to the questions currently pending from SW. (AGREED) MONTREAL UBL TC MEETING JB: The lack of internet access at McGill residences eliminates them from consideration. IDEAlliance has agreed to sponsor meeting rooms at the Europa (following the Extreme Markup conference there) but still needs to confirm that they are available, so don't buy tickets yet. If the rooms come through, then we will need to provide projectors. Also, we probably won't have phone access (though we will have internet access). GKH: Crane can provide one projector. ACTION: JB to check on whether we can get the same hotel rates as the Extreme participants. GKH/ZR: We stay at the Residence Inn on Peel Street; they take pets for an extra fee. NDR WORK SESSION Code list enums SW: Have to leave meeting now, so will just make this comment: Whatever the TC decides is fine, but this is not just a GEFEG issue; 80 percent of the Fortune 500 have problems customizing solutions [to go beyond XSD validation]. JB: We will have to discuss this later, then. I thought the plan was to provide scripts so that users could generate equivalent (but non-normative) schemas in which all of our default code list values were embedded as enums so that they could just use XSD validation as in 1.0. SW: CCTS compliance is the big issue : if you have enums (QDTs) they must be based on UDTs. MG: I.e., they should all be restrictions of code type. PB: I question the allocation of code lists to QDT and UDT in the current spreadsheets. QDT is not used for any but the ATG1 lists. It was noted that next week's Atlantic call would be missing PT, SW, AS, MG, and GKH, and possibly PB as well. AGREED to discuss this issue further in email and schedule final resolution for the Atlantic call 21 June (at which time we hope to have MG, MC, and SW as well as others). JB: Note that if users generate alternative schemas with enums baked in using scripts we provide as planned, then there's no requirement that such schemas have to conform to our NDRs. This is exactly what we've been doing with the ASN.1 schemas. Namespace URIs revisited (oh no!): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200606/msg00004.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200606/msg00005.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200606/msg00006.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200606/msg00007.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200606/msg00008.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200606/msg00009.html GKH: We're safe for 2.0; the issue is what to do for 2.1. ACTION: GKH to publish his paper on this subject in the next day or so. The TC is to study this, provide feedback in email, and arrange to discuss it in a later meeting (not next week, but perhaps 21 June) and then resolve it in Montreal as a support package issue. Acronyms: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200605/msg00083.html MC: We agreed earlier that the list of acronyms would be a separate document managed by the TC as a whole (not the NDR editors). So we need that list, and it has to go in the package, and we need a process for getting acronyms approved. TM has made suggestions for acronyms to put on the list, but we need to have a process around that. MG: ATG rules don't have any of the restrictions we do, so they have no acronym list. MC: How are we going to manage a list? How often to update? JB: We need someone to volunteer to form the list for our review and approval. ACTION: JB to ask PSC to generate an initial list. OTHER BUSINESS MC: We haven't had any minutes from PSC meetings. JB: The issues list has served that purpose for the last month or so; anyone who has actually been interested in the content work has had access to that. JB: Here's an interesting set of initiatives based on UBL and partially funded by the European Union: http://services.txt.it/abilities/project.html Jon Bosak Chair, OASIS UBL TC
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