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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 26|27 November 2007


MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING
TUESDAY 27 NOVEMBER 2007

ATTENDANCE

   Jon Bosak (chair)
   G. Ken Holman
   Tim McGrath (vice chair)
   Andy Schoka
   Sylvia Webb

STANDING ITEMS

   Additions to the calendar:
      http://ibiblio.org/bosak/ubl/calendar.htm

      None.

   Liaison reports

      AS: TBG17 meeting tomorrow.

   Subcommittee report: TSC

      AS: TSC will meet Thursday.

      TM: PSC is discussing questions arising from review of the
      JPLSC comments.

   Review of Atlantic call

      No comments.

   Support page submissions

      None this week.

2008 TC WORK SCHEDULE

   Revised spreadsheet in progress.

UPDATE PACKAGE: GC FILE FORMAT (added agenda item)

   GKH/TM: Since we're republishing the gc [genericode] files and
   adding an additional metadata column to meet requirements for
   the PortCode list, we can add yet other metadata columns, for
   example, geographic coordinates for each port, and we should
   also think about adding metadata columns to other code list
   files.  This has no impact on backward compatibility.  Can
   other members of the UBL TC identify code list files that would
   be improved by additional metadata?

   SW: Note that ATG2 has published revised code list schemas on
   the UNECE web site that contain numerous corrections and
   additions.

   GKH/TM: Our ability to update the code lists we accepted from
   ATG2 for 2.0 will be severely limited by the xsd-based approach
   they used for the original versions.

   JB: We should revisit the decision to use that methodology when
   we create UBL 2.1.

UPDATE PACKAGE: JPLSC COMMENTS

   Finishing our processing of JPLSC comments:

      http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200710/msg00021.html

   23. Agree with the change suggested by JPLSC.  In addition,
       however, we note that there are errors in columns R and S
       from row 8 downward; compare ForwardingInstructions.

       ACTION: TM to check further and provide appropriate
       corrections.

   24. Agree with the change suggested by JPLSC.

   25. Agree that the definitions should be the same, but we think
       that neither is what we really want.

       ACTION: TM to ask PSC for clarification.

   26. Agree with the change suggested by JPLSC.

   27. Agree with the change suggested by JPLSC (all "Invoice"
       should be "Freight Invoice").

   28. The word "code" should be "cost centre".

   29. The definition should be "Information about the reference
       to a Billing line".

   30. The UBL 2.0 definition is correct if taken together with
       the examples in column R.

   31. Same as number 28.

   32. The definition is correct as it stands (and is consistent
       with every other association in Item).

   33. Agreed that the definition is confusing, but the concept
       itself ("dimension," with possible values "length," "width,"
       "weight," etc.) is difficult to define; cf. the definitions
       in the Oxford English Dictionary.  The best that we were
       able to come up with is "A description of the measurement
       attribute."

   34. The definition should be "Identifies a reference to a
       prepaid payment."

   35. Same as number 28.

   36. The definition should be "Identifies a reference to a
       catalogue document."

   37. The definition should be "Information about a Certificate
       of Origin application."

   38. Agree with the change suggested by JPLSC.

   39. The definition should be "An association to the address at
       which the trading terms apply."

   40. Agree with the change suggested by JPLSC.

   41. Agree with the change suggested by JPLSC.

   42. Agree with the change suggested by JPLSC.  It seems to us
       that we have seen a similar error elsewhere.  [Can't find it
       on the current update change list -- JB]

   43. Agree that this is an error.  In column W, rows 463-464, we
       have the text "Transportation"; this should be removed and
       the cells left blank.  The mistake occurred when the items
       were moved from another location.

   44. Agree that this is an error (the reverse of number 43).
       The cells in column W rows 865-866 should contain the word
       "Transportation."

   JB: Where do we stand on the explanations sent by TM to JPLSC
   and the inquiries sent by TM to PSC following last week's
   processing of the first half of the JPLSC comments?

   TM: JPLSC has agreed to the explanations.  We are waiting for
   PSC response to the questions.

   JB: The JPLSC is to be commended for their very thorough and
   helpful review.  These corrections will add substantially to
   the value of the Update Package.

2008 TC MEETING SCHEDULE

   28 Jan - 1 Feb 2008 in Manhattan

      Confirmed.  101 Park Avenue.

   April 2008 in Rome (together with UBL International Day)

      14-18 April is the week now under consideration.

   4-8 August 2008 in Montréal

      Confirmed.  Hotel Europa, rue Drummond.

   January 2009 in Fremantle

      Still tentative.

NOVEMBER-JANUARY TC CONCALL SCHEDULE

   Week of 12/03 Skip
   Week of 12/10 Regular schedule [gkh cannot attend]
   Week of 12/17 Regular schedule
   Week of 12/24 Skip
   Week of 12/31 Skip
   Week of 01/07 Regular schedule
   Week of 01/14 Regular schedule
   Week of 01/21 Skip
   Week of 01/28 Manhattan F2F
   Week of 02/04 Skip
   Week of 02/11 Regular schedule

OTHER BUSINESS

   SW (regarding the item "Federal Community of Practice" on this
   week's Atlantic TC call): A Community of Practice can be a
   joint public/private community of common interest.  It must be
   led and driven by U.S. Government agencies or branches and
   U.S. Government employees with the appropriate level of
   authorization.  It can have participants from the private
   sector and even from other geographic regions, but the program
   of major work activities must come from within government.
   Once the work is started, the participants decide what the
   scope and resouces will be.  A Federal Community of Interest is
   similar, but can consist only of U.S. Government
   representatives.

   JB: What we're looking for is a Community of Practice that can
   involve our private sector participants and participants from
   other countries.

   TM: In other words, something that mirrors what the CEN/ISSS
   BII Workshop is developing for European governments.

   SW: The NES would be an even closer parallel.  But note that
   many U.S. government agencies prohibit the use of freeware or
   shareware for security reasons.  The GSA provides collaborative
   tools for all the federal communities of practice; TL, AS, and
   TM have access to this environment.

   JB: This should provide a starting point for tomorrow's
   discussion in the Atlantic call.

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UPDATE PACKAGE

   Methodology:

      http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200710/msg00027.html
      http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200711/msg00006.html

PACIFIC ACTION ITEMS FROM MANHATTAN (MAY 2007)

   ACTION: PSC and TSC to provide feedback on UBL 2.0 SBS 2.0:

      http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/23873

      Pending.

   ACTION: PSC and TSC to summarize business rules that are (1)
   wanted in UBL but not allowed by [i.e., capable of being
   addressed by] the NDR (e.g., requirement to include one of
   PartyName and PartyIdentifier but not both) and (2) data items
   whose constraints are inherited from another standard (e.g.,
   lengths of data items specified by UNTDED); the rules so
   identified to become candidates for a list of schematron
   assertions "recommended to be included" (final characterization
   TBD).

      Pending.

Jon Bosak
Chair, OASIS UBL TC


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