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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 25|26 August 2008
MINUTES OF PACIFIC UBL TC MEETING
TUESDAY 26 AUGUST 2008
ATTENDANCE
Jon Bosak (chair)
Anne Hendry
G. Ken Holman
Tim McGrath (vice chair)
Andy Schoka
STANDING ITEMS
Additions to the calendar:
http://ubl.xml.org/events
TM: TonyC informs us that the Call for Papers for the XML
2008 conference has finally gone out.
GKH: Have submitted proposals for an XML overview and a UBL
overview.
We note that IDEAlliance's Joy Blake is now Joy Donat.
Congratulations, Joy!
Liaison reports
TM: UN/CEFACT ATG2 have announced that their NDR version 3
is now at ODP5 (public review from 18 August to 20
September).
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-dev/200808/msg00007.html
Do we have further input to this beyond the contributions
we've already made (participation in ATG2 working sessions,
review of hybrid approach, contribution of code list
methodology)?
JB: As we've said on a number of occasions, we don't
contemplate another major release of UBL and therefore don't
expect any changes to our 2.0 NDR any time in the
foreseeable future. Like OAG, RosettaNet, and other
business standard development organizations, we have a large
installed base to protect, and like those other
organizations, it's going to be a long time before we're
ready to make any changes to our naming and design rules.
The reality is that there will be a number of NDRs in use
for many years to come. In our view, the main value of the
current work in UN/CEFACT lies in semantic harmonization,
establishing a common set of semantic primitives that will
allow conversion between the different business languages
that are already in use.
TM: Some people doubt that such conversions are possible.
JB: We know of nothing that would prevent interoperability
between document instances based on UBL and document
instances based on other XML business languages caused
simply by differences in their naming and design rules. If
anyone does know of an interoperability problem caused by
differences in naming and design rules (as opposed to
differences in vocabulary and data modeling), we would be
interested to hear about it. A study done in ATG a couple
of years ago concluded that it would be trivial to generate
different schemas from the same data model using UN/CEFACT
NDRs or UBL NDRs; in other words, it's the semantic
harmonization that matters, not the NDRs. If this turns out
not to be the case, then the harmonization work is largely
beside the point. UBL has been based from the beginning on
the assumption that semantic harmonization is the key to
interoperability, and we'll continue to maintain that belief
until proven otherwise.
Subcommittee report: PSC
TM: Nothing this week.
Subcommittee report: TSC
AS: TSC meetings will restart Thursday next week (4
September) at 09:00 U.S. east coast time using the new UBL
TC conference bridge and an Adobe Connect session. We will
start with items already identified in work with Danish
Standards and include requirements from USDOT's Kansas City
initiative as that evolves.
AH: Will be participating in the work of the subcommittee.
TM: We need to establish a policy for how much new material
we're going to include in 2.1.
AGREED that we will certainly address issues pending from
TBG3, in particular those relating to shipment and
consignment. Beyond that, however, we will require the
addition of new BIEs to be justified by specific business
requirements; the existence of BIEs in legacy EDI will not
be sufficient in itself.
Review of Atlantic call
No comments.
MINUTES OF THE UBL TC MEETING IN MONTRÉAL
Pending.
INTERNATIONAL DATA DICTIONARY
JB: We are holding public review of the initial set pending
completion of the updates to the Japanese and Danish versions.
GKH: Public collaboration on Catalan has begun on ubl.xml.org.
ACTION: JB to send GKH the partial translations for Hungarian,
Lithuanian, and Turkish.
UBL WORK SCHEDULE
ACTION (1/8): JB to revise the work schedule spreadsheet.
Pending finalization of the BII schedule in September.
NAMING AND DESIGN RULES
JB: MC and JB finished content edits last week; JB not starting
copy and formatting edit with BH while MC is on vacation.
CUSTOMIZATION GUIDELINES
TM to make another content edit, then back to JB for another
copy edit Friday; meanwhile, GKH finishes a couple of
incomplete sections. We intend to approve the draft for
circulation to the entire TC following next week's Pacific TC
call.
UBL 2.1 ISSUES LIST
ACTION (12/18): TM to populate the new issues list with all
currently known UBL 2.1 issues.
Pending.
2008 TC MEETING SCHEDULE
19-23 January 2009 in Fremantle
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200808/msg00010.html
Expected attendance: TM, MC, GKH; possibly AS, MG, AH
April/May 2009
East coast North America (probably in DC area or possibly in
Ottawa) has been suggested, but it's possible that we will
have an opportunity to meet with UN/CEFACT at their 20-24
April 2009 Forum in Rome.
August 2009
We are agreed on a preliminary plan to meet the week before
or the week after the Balisage conference in Montréal; this
would be 3-7 August or 10-14 August 2009, depending on which
is chosen for Balisage. It's possible that we will wish to
hold a plenary in conjunction with the UN/CEFACT Forum in
Sapporo 28 September - 2 October, in which case the Montréal
meeting will be considered a working session.
TC CONCALL SCHEDULE
Regular schedule for the next couple of months.
GKH: On west coast 9/15 and 9/22; can probably still participate,
but may be late in joining.
Jon Bosak
Chair, OASIS UBL TC
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