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Subject: Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 04 July 2018 00:00UTC


Minutes of Pacific UBL TC call 04 July 2018 00:00UTC

ATTENDANCE

  Todd Albers
  Kenneth Bengtsson
  G. Ken Holman (convener)
  Levine Naidoo
  Matt Vickers


REFERENCING THE SPECIFICATION

      - the following should be used as a specific citation:
        OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.1 (ISO/IEC 19845:2015)
      - the following would be used for a general (any version) citation:
        OASIS UBL (ISO/IEC 19845)
      - the canonical documents are available in the OASIS repository:
        http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.1/
        http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/cs01-UBL-2.2/ (standardization pending)
      - the ISO/IEC catalogue entry for UBL 2.1 is found at:
        http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm/?csnumber=66370
      - the ISO/IEC document and attachments for UBL 2.1 are found at:
        http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/


STANDING ITEMS

     Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events
      - no new events to add at this time

     Review of Pacific call minutes
        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201806/msg00001.html

     Review of Atlantic call minutes
        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201806/msg00003.html

     Membership status review
      https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#membership
      https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=ubl
      https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl/members/roster.php?num_items=80

      - voting status is determined by the following:
        - existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to
          maintain voting status
        - non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain
          voting status
        - members formally on leave by prior request must not attend and
          their voting status is not impacted
      - current UBL TC voting member list (alphabetical) and relationships:
        - Todd Albers
          - Member ASC X9 AB, Member ISO 20022 Payment SEG, Member W3C Web
            Payments Interest Group, Business Payments Coalition
        - Kenneth Bengtsson
          - Chair OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, DK Expert UN/CEFACT
        - Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
          - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML Core & MS
          - Member CEN/TC434/WS8
        - Peter Borresen
          - DK Member CEN/TC440, Assistant Convenor CEN/TC440/WG7
        - Kees Duvekot
          - Member OASIS BDXR, ?Member of the Standaardisatie­platform
          e-factureren
        - Cécile Guasch
          - Member CEN/TC440, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG1, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG2,
            European Commission liaison (DIGIT Interoperability Unit)
        - G. Ken Holman
          - Member OASIS BDXR, CA Member JTC 1/SC32, CA Expert UN/CEFACT
        - Ole Ellerbæk Madsen
          - DK Member CEN/TC440, CEN/TC440 Liaison JTC 1/SC 32
        - Levine Naidoo
          - Member OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, Member Fintech Australia
        - Matt Vickers, Xero
          - Member OASIS BDXR, Member US Business Payments Coalition,
            Director US Data Coalition
      - members approaching losing voting status after this meeting:
        - Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
      - active non-voting members
        - Oriol Bausà Peris
          - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML, Editor TC434 Validation
        - Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa
          - Member OASIS ebXML, European Commission liaison (DG GROWTH)
        - Roberto Cisternino
          - IT Expert UN/CEFACT
        - Audun Vennesland
      - new member orientation information:
        https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=59647

UBL 2.2
   - UBL 2.2 Committee Specification 01 is published:

      http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/cs01-UBL-2.2/UBL-2.2.html

   - UBL 2.2 OASIS Standard Call for Consent open until end of July 9, 2018:

      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201806/msg00005.html

   - countdown to standardization outlined in our UBL Governance document:

      http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/UBL-Governance/v1.0/cn01/UBL-Governance-v1.0-cn01.html#S-THE-PATHWAY-TO-STANDARDIZATION

     - mid-July we will begin the ISO revision process for ISO/IEC 19845


UBL 2.3
   - a posting has been made to the mail archives so that it can be cited
     in other correspondence:

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201702/msg00006.html

   - Cécile managing requirements for pre-award documents
   - Kees managing requirements for post-award documents
   - Peter managing requirements for transportation documents
   - Kenneth and Todd managing requirements for payments and finance documents
   - Roberto managing requirements for party information documents
   - all subcommittee and task group leaders are asked to take on the
     assignment of JIRA tickets from the current list of "Later" tickets,
     and open each one:
       https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
     - use the button "Reject Resolution" in order to re-open the ticket, and
       then "Assign to me" to take on the ticket
     - there should be none left for Ken when this task is done
   - reminder about the calendar for UBL 2.3:
     - working drafts at the end of 2018
     - final OASIS Standard at the end of 2019
     - final ISO Standard at the end of 2020
   - new requirements identified in Europe:
     - pre-award catalogue (from Norway)
     - contract information


Subcommittees conference call schedule
  - Australian Localisation Subcommittee will be meeting in the TC "off weeks"
    at the Pacific call time slot (00:00 UTC)
  - Small Business Subcommittee will be meeting in the TC "off weeks",
    Wednesdays at 14:00 UTC.
  - Transportation Subcommittee will be meeting on Wednesdays every week at
    13:00 UTC (will be using Peter's GotoMeeting facility).


UBL Payments and Finance Subcommittee
   - status report


Outreach and communications
   - work progressing on analyzing current communication channels
        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-adoption/201710/msg00001.html


UBL Transportation Subcommittee
   - new document types discussed at the face-to-face
- Framework for new document types are being drafted and will be given as input for UBL 2.3 - Transportation Subcommittee is now working on a separate Google document for document types and for ABIE


UBL Small Business Subcommittee
   - meetings are progressing


UBL Australian Localisation Subcommittee
   - possible first meeting July 25, 2018


OASIS Business Document Naming and Design Rules
   - Ken to prototype proposed augmented extension mechanism first discussed
     at the Fremantle face-to-face:
     - add an extension point at the beginning of *every* ABIE, not just the
       document ABIEs
     - ticket created to track online discussion:
       https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-174
   - working extensible UBL 2.1 schemas link posted to the ticket
- Martin notified and he is contacting his industry colleagues who need it
   - 2018-02-22 discussion preserved for more discussion:
- concerns based on real-world implementations of UBL where, without prior
       experience, and who do not have a data model that matches UBL, then UBL
       is very complex
     - what has been seen are very grave examples of claiming conformance but
       just throwing it into an extension rather than using the appropriate
       data element from UBL because it is easy to do so
     - maybe even up to 70% of the document shows up in the extension rather
       than in standard business objects
     - adding more extension points makes it more attractive to put one's data
       into extensions for one of many reasons
other than conformance (laziness,
       time-lines, understanding, etc.)
     - perhaps better documentation would make conformance better
     - the argument for is that there may be more uptake of UBL if
       implementers are able to more easily add what they need where they
       need it
     - one cannot prevent bad use of UBL but would more extension points
       promote more bad use?
     - proposed approach is intended to contextualize extensions where they
       belong rather than grouping them all up-front and having to determine
       where they apply
   - first comments received (on the ticket) regarding extensible ABIEs:

     https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=62586

  - JSON rules in the OASIS Business Document Naming and Design Rules
   - active tickets:  https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472
   - the TC continues to invite public comment on the latest versions of
these specifications until such time as we agree to progress the documents
     to their next steps in the process:

http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/Business-Document-NDR/v1.1/Business-Document-NDR-v1.1.html
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/UBL-2.1-JSON/v1.0/UBL-2.1-JSON-v1.0.html

   - awaiting TC Administration feedback regarding:

       https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201705/msg00000.html

     - as this is a facet of the public perception of an OASIS specification,
       the OASIS TC Administration not only needs to be involved, but they are
       the ones to do the heavy lifting with IANA with an amalgam of our
       needs and their needs, so we have to work with them and through them
       - ticket created for tracking:

         https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TCADMIN-2587

   - comment posted for review from Tradeshift
     - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00000.html
   - comment posted for review from Australia (though it is an indirect link
and not properly posted for commenting), and it appears to be observations
     and not a specific comment for action
     - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00001.html
   - Ken has begun work on the changes but is stalled looking for a JSON
     schema processor for Draft-7 of the json-schema specification


JIRA tickets
   - available filters:
        - UBL 2.x - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
        - BDNDR   - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472
        - All UBL - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=11670
        - TCAdmin - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070

    - when creating tickets, remember to distinguish the following components
      by how they are described to be used as categories:
<https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:components-panel>https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:components-panel
- if you leave the "Component/s" field empty, the ticket will not show up
        in the summary filter

    - status and resolution values:
      - NEW - the issue has been created but not yet agreed to be in
              consideration or not for the development distribution
            - in order for the issue to become active work for the committee
              the new ticket must be changed to OPEN or it will not be seen
              in the "to do" filter
            - the other option on a new ticket is to change it to DEFERRED
            - please remember to look at the open filter to ensure visibility:
              https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
      - OPEN - the issue is in consideration for the development distribution
             - keep the issue OPEN when assigning to Ken for incorporation
- please remember to add a comment regarding expectations whenever
               you assign an OPEN ticket to another person for any action
- RESOLVED + Applied - the issue is incorporated in test but not released - RESOLVED + Fixed - the issue is incorporated in a working draft version
      - RESOLVED + Later - the issue is still up for discussion for a future
                           minor revision but not the current development
      - RESOLVED + No Action - considered as no action for any distribution
      - RESOLVED + Cannot Reproduce - considered as no action for distribution
      - APPLIED + Fixed - the issue is included in a public review (record the
                          availability of the disposition once review opened)
      - DEFERRED - the issue is not in consideration for any minor revision
                 - please remember to use this when creating new tickets for
                   backwards-incompatible changes
     - see also the discussion on the status workflows here:
        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201709/msg00000.html

- members please note to discuss ticket issues as comments to the ticket so
      that we can audit the discussion when making decisions about the ticket,
      without having to find the discussion on the main mail list

    - to find all of the OASIS TC Administration tickets related to UBL, use
      the https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070 filter


NEXT FACE-TO-FACE

   - our next face-to-face meeting is in Zwolle, NL from 13:00CEST October 1,
     2018 until 12:00CEST October 5, 2018
   - note that the following week there is the Exchange Summit conference in
     Berlin, Germany ... see http://www.exchange-summit.com


TC CONCALL SCHEDULE

2018-07-04 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-07-18 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney 2018-07-18 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-08-01 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-08-01 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney 2018-08-15 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-08-15 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney 2018-08-29 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-08-29 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney

  Notes regarding teleconference times:

   - meeting times stable now until October:

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201802/msg00000.html

  Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future?  For
  privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.

 TC calendar:
 <http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/calendar.php?wg_abbrev=ubl>http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/calendar.php?wg_abbrev=ubl

 TC calendar iCal subscription link:
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup_feeds/ical/my_vcalendar.ics?token=fa658a7994a6cefb10c10be09e139af3&workgroup_id=50>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup_feeds/ical/my_vcalendar.ics?token=fa658a7994a6cefb10c10be09e139af3&workgroup_id=50


OTHER BUSINESS

 - official word from GS1 regarding recognizing UBL:
https://www.gs1.org/articles/2430/gs1-announces-new-business-driven-edi-strategy-adds-ubl-its-edi-standard-syntax-portfolio




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