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Subject: Agenda of Atlantic UBL TC call 18 July 2018 14:00UTC


Agenda of Atlantic UBL TC call 18 July 2018 14:00UTC
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=2018-07-18T14:00:00

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PACIFIC CALL ATTENDANCE

   Kenneth Bengtsson
   Levine Naidoo


REFERENCING THE SPECIFICATION

       - one of the following should be used as a specific citation:
         OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.2
         OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.1 (ISO/IEC 19845:2015)
       - the following would be used for a general (any version) citation:
         OASIS UBL (ISO/IEC 19845)
       - the canonical 2.2 documents are available in the OASIS repository:
         http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.2/
       - the canonical 2.1 documents are available in the OASIS repository:
         http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.1/
       - the ISO/IEC catalogue entry for UBL 2.1 is found at:
         http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm/?csnumber=66370
       - the ISO/IEC document and attachments for UBL 2.1 are found at:
         http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/


STANDING ITEMS

      Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events
       - no new events to add at this time

      Review of Pacific call minutes
         https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201807/msg00002.html

      Review of Atlantic call minutes
         https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201807/msg00004.html

      Membership status review
       https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#membership
       https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=ubl
       https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl/members/roster.php?num_items=80

       - voting status is determined by the following:
         - existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to
           maintain voting status
         - non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain
           voting status
         - members formally on leave by prior request must not attend and
           their voting status is not impacted
       - current UBL TC voting member list (alphabetical) and relationships:
         - Todd Albers
           - Member ASC X9 AB, Member ISO 20022 Payment SEG, Member W3C Web
             Payments Interest Group, Business Payments Coalition
         - Kenneth Bengtsson
           - Chair OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, DK Expert UN/CEFACT
         - Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
           - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML Core & MS
           - Member CEN/TC434/WS8
         - Peter Borresen
           - DK Member CEN/TC440, Assistant Convenor CEN/TC440/WG7
         - Kees Duvekot
           - Member OASIS BDXR, Member of the Standaardisatie­platform
             e-factureren
         - CÃcile Guasch
           - Member CEN/TC440, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG1, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG2,
             European Commission liaison (DIGIT Interoperability Unit)
         - G. Ken Holman
           - Member OASIS BDXR, CA Member JTC 1/SC32, CA Expert UN/CEFACT
         - Ole EllerbÃk Madsen
           - DK Member CEN/TC440, CEN/TC440 Liaison JTC 1/SC 32
         - Levine Naidoo
           - Member OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, Member Fintech Australia
         - Matt Vickers, Xero
           - Member OASIS BDXR, Member US Business Payments Coalition,
             Director US Data Coalition
       - members approaching gaining voting status after next meeting:
         - Oriol Bausà Peris
       - members approaching losing voting status after next meeting:
         - Peter Borresen
       - active non-voting members
         - Jan Tore Pedersen
         - Oriol Bausà Peris
           - Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML, Editor TC434 Validation
         - Enric Staromiejski Torregrosa
           - Member OASIS ebXML, European Commission liaison (DG GROWTH)
         - Roberto Cisternino
           - IT Expert UN/CEFACT
         - Audun Vennesland
       - new member orientation information:
         https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=59647


UBL 2.2
    - UBL 2.2 OASIS Standard is published:

       http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.2/UBL-2.2.html

    - the referencing links at the beginning of the agenda have been updated
    - Ken to begin the ISO revision process for ISO/IEC 19845


UBL 2.3
    - a posting has been made to the mail archives so that it can be cited
      in other correspondence:

      https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201702/msg00006.html

    - Cécile managing requirements for pre-award documents
    - Kees managing requirements for post-award documents
    - Peter managing requirements for transportation documents
- Kenneth and Todd managing requirements for payments and finance documents
    - Roberto managing requirements for party information documents
    - all subcommittee and task group leaders are asked to take on the
      assignment of JIRA tickets from the current list of "Later" tickets,
      and open each one:
        https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
      - use the button "Reject Resolution" in order to re-open the ticket, and
        then "Assign to me" to take on the ticket
      - there should be none left for Ken when this task is done
    - reminder about the calendar for UBL 2.3:
      - working drafts at the end of 2018
      - final OASIS Standard at the end of 2019
      - final ISO Standard at the end of 2020
    - new requirements identified in Europe:
      - pre-award catalogue (from Norway)
      - contract information


Subcommittees conference call schedule
- Australian Localisation Subcommittee will be meeting in the TC "off weeks"
     at the Pacific call time slot (00:00 UTC)
   - Pre-award Subcommittee will be meeting in the TC "off weeks", Wednesdays
     at 13:00UTC, starting September 5, 2018
   - Small Business Subcommittee will be meeting in the TC "off weeks",
     Wednesdays at 14:00 UTC
   - Transportation Subcommittee will be meeting on Wednesdays every week at
     13:00 UTC (will be using Peter's GotoMeeting facility).


UBL Payments and Finance Subcommittee
    - nothing to report


Outreach and communications
    - work progressing on analyzing current communication channels
         https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-adoption/201710/msg00001.html


UBL Transportation Subcommittee
    - new document types discussed at the face-to-face
    - Framework for new document types are being drafted and will be given
      as input for UBL 2.3
    - Transportation Subcommittee is now working on a separate Google
      document for document types and for ABIE


UBL Small Business Subcommittee
    - meetings are progressing


UBL Australian Localisation Subcommittee
    - possible first meeting July 25, 2018


OASIS Business Document Naming and Design Rules
    - Ken to prototype proposed augmented extension mechanism first discussed
      at the Fremantle face-to-face:
      - add an extension point at the beginning of *every* ABIE, not just the
        document ABIEs
      - ticket created to track online discussion:
        https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-174
    - working extensible UBL 2.1 schemas link posted to the ticket
      - Martin notified and he is contacting his industry colleagues who need
        it
    - 2018-02-22 discussion preserved for more discussion:
- concerns based on real-world implementations of UBL where, without prior experience, and who do not have a data model that matches UBL, then UBL
        is very complex
      - what has been seen are very grave examples of claiming conformance but
        just throwing it into an extension rather than using the appropriate
        data element from UBL because it is easy to do so
      - maybe even up to 70% of the document shows up in the extension rather
        than in standard business objects
- adding more extension points makes it more attractive to put one's data
        into extensions for one of many reasons other than conformance
        (laziness, time-lines, understanding, etc.)
      - perhaps better documentation would make conformance better
      - the argument for is that there may be more uptake of UBL if
        implementers are able to more easily add what they need where they
        need it
      - one cannot prevent bad use of UBL but would more extension points
        promote more bad use?
      - proposed approach is intended to contextualize extensions where they
        belong rather than grouping them all up-front and having to determine
        where they apply
    - first comments received (on the ticket) regarding extensible ABIEs:

      https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=62586

   - JSON rules in the OASIS Business Document Naming and Design Rules
    - active tickets:  https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472
    - the TC continues to invite public comment on the latest versions of
these specifications until such time as we agree to progress the documents
      to their next steps in the process:

http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/Business-Document-NDR/v1.1/Business-Document-NDR-v1.1.html
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/UBL-2.1-JSON/v1.0/UBL-2.1-JSON-v1.0.html

    - awaiting TC Administration feedback regarding:

        https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201705/msg00000.html

      - as this is a facet of the public perception of an OASIS specification,
the OASIS TC Administration not only needs to be involved, but they are
        the ones to do the heavy lifting with IANA with an amalgam of our
        needs and their needs, so we have to work with them and through them
        - ticket created for tracking:

          https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TCADMIN-2587

    - comment posted for review from Tradeshift
      - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00000.html
    - comment posted for review from Australia (though it is an indirect link
and not properly posted for commenting), and it appears to be observations
      and not a specific comment for action
      - https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201709/msg00001.html
    - Ken has begun work on the changes but is stalled looking for a JSON
      schema processor for Draft-7 of the json-schema specification


JIRA tickets
    - available filters:
         - UBL 2.x - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
         - BDNDR   - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472
         - All UBL - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=11670
         - TCAdmin - https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070

     - when creating tickets, remember to distinguish the following components
       by how they are described to be used as categories:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:components-panel
- if you leave the "Component/s" field empty, the ticket will not show up
         in the summary filter

     - status and resolution values:
       - NEW - the issue has been created but not yet agreed to be in
               consideration or not for the development distribution
             - in order for the issue to become active work for the committee
               the new ticket must be changed to OPEN or it will not be seen
               in the "to do" filter
             - the other option on a new ticket is to change it to DEFERRED
- please remember to look at the open filter to ensure visibility:
               https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972
       - OPEN - the issue is in consideration for the development distribution
              - keep the issue OPEN when assigning to Ken for incorporation
- please remember to add a comment regarding expectations whenever
                you assign an OPEN ticket to another person for any action
- RESOLVED + Applied - the issue is incorporated in test but not released - RESOLVED + Fixed - the issue is incorporated in a working draft version
       - RESOLVED + Later - the issue is still up for discussion for a future
                            minor revision but not the current development
       - RESOLVED + No Action - considered as no action for any distribution
- RESOLVED + Cannot Reproduce - considered as no action for distribution - APPLIED + Fixed - the issue is included in a public review (record the
                           availability of the disposition once review opened)
       - DEFERRED - the issue is not in consideration for any minor revision
                  - please remember to use this when creating new tickets for
                    backwards-incompatible changes
      - see also the discussion on the status workflows here:
         https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201709/msg00000.html

- members please note to discuss ticket issues as comments to the ticket so that we can audit the discussion when making decisions about the ticket,
       without having to find the discussion on the main mail list

     - to find all of the OASIS TC Administration tickets related to UBL, use
       the https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070 filter


NEXT FACE-TO-FACE

    - our next face-to-face meeting is in Zwolle, NL from 13:00CEST October 1,
      2018 until 12:00CEST October 5, 2018
      - find a hotel in the centre of Zwolle, and the meetings are held in an
        industrial park not far away:
        - Punterweg 12, 8042 PB Zwolle https://goo.gl/maps/YxRM4FPKVtH2
    - note that the following week there is the Exchange Summit conference in
      Berlin, Germany ... see http://www.exchange-summit.com


TC CONCALL SCHEDULE

2018-07-18 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-08-01 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-08-01 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney 2018-08-15 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-08-15 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney 2018-08-29 UBL Atlantic - 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe 2018-08-29 UBL Pacific - 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney

  Notes regarding teleconference times:

   - meeting times stable now until October:

     https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201802/msg00000.html

  Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future?  For
  privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.

  TC calendar:
  http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/calendar.php?wg_abbrev=ubl

  TC calendar iCal subscription link:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup_feeds/ical/my_vcalendar.ics?token=fa658a7994a6cefb10c10be09e139af3&workgroup_id=50


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