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Subject: [uddi-spec] Comments on future intentions for V3
This is a followup to my comments and discussion in the F2F Monday morning, and is written in part by my "outer pedant" [apologies to Tony Rogers]. I believe that the group clarified the situation by saying (via Luc) that "V3" [see note below] is the basis for current work, and that "V4" is a vague future version that is completely undefined. Current work will take what I think of as "Version 3.0000" and modifiy/evolve it as change requests are accepted by the groujp, leading to a sequence of editor's versions with version numbers like 3.02, 3.05, etc. If this is the case, it directly contradicts the minutes for the 13 September 2002 meeting quoted below, which suggests the freezing of the documents approved as OASIS Committee Specifications and defining future work as V4. Note: Since the TC accepted "V3" with specific documents as an OASIS Committee Specification, we have created a separate time series for OASIS Committee Specifications. Since these are generally used in OASIS as a kind of "clean point" that are viewed by the committee as complete and ready for detailed analysis/review/implementation, perhaps we made a mistake is so designating "V3" at the first meeting. We are also confusing ourselves by talking about "V3" as a fixed thing -- it is, as a CSpec, but it's also been used in discussions as a family of specs evolving via change requests. Are we misleading others who think that the TC thinks that the "V3" on the web site is complete and ready for implementation (subject only to minor bugs)? I suggest putting a note on the TC web page stating something like "the next "V3 family" Committee Specification is planned for early 2003 after dealing with change requests from the review and implementation process." This should probably be identified as OASIS Committee Specification version 3.1. bill cox Background information: The minutes for the initial meeting on 13 September 2002 said: "Specification Baseline Motion: A motion to establish the UDDI V3 Committee Specification as the TC’s baseline for all future work was presented. Debate on this issue occurred which mostly centered on why we are not trying to take the V3 work forward as an OASIS Standard. There was general agreement that companies needed more experience with the V3 specification before this would be appropriate and the TC agreed to review this in several months time. Further discussion was ruled as out of order to the motion at hand. A question was raised by Alok on whether the intention was the future work would then become a V4, or be added into V3. This was clarified by the chairs and several members of the TC that this would constitute work on a V4. An individual vote was taken and the resolution passed. There was no dissent." Minutes from 22 October 2002 said (in passing): "4.2.4 Prioritize work on legacy TN’s (1, 2 or 3) and request chairs to drive the high priority ones." [I'm not clear on whether this is TNs for UDDI v1, v2, and v3, or something else.] Matthew Dovey (in Tony Rogers' "inner pedant email" attached) wrote: "In any case, I believe it was agreed that whenever a set of erratum and/or specification changes are published (and it was suggested we batch these so not to appear to be changing the standard too often), this would result in a minor version increment for UDDI (v2 is already at v2.07 or there abouts) - also that the version numbers of all the v2 documents (API, Data Structures etc) should be kept in sync (even if these means that the a document is reissued without any other change but the version number)." And Tony wrote: "On the "UDDI V3 as basis for future work" issue, my inner pedant insists on pointing out that the agreement was that any future work was to result in a UDDI V4, rather than an altered V3."
Received: from beamail.bea.com (beamail [206.189.42.10]) by liberty-corner.bea.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25587 for <wcox@bea.com>; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usmailgw1.bea.com (usmailgw1.bea.com [63.96.161.21]) by beamail.bea.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g9PE4sP11625; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from one.elistx.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by usmailgw1.bea.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g9PE4pF20626; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0H4J00A01J6C60@eListX.com>; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0H4J00A04J6B5W@eListX.com> (original mail from bellwood@us.ibm.com); Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0H4J00A01J6B5U@eListX.com> for uddi-spec@elist.lists.oasis-open.org (ORCPT uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org) ; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0H4J00A01J6A5T@eListX.com> for uddi-spec@elist.lists.oasis-open.org (ORCPT uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org); Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from e33.co.us.ibm.com (e33.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.131]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0H4J00A07J6A1N@eListX.com> for uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.32]) by e33.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9PE4Wdi076014; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:04:32 -0400 Received: from d03nm145.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.3/NCO/VER6.4) with ESMTP id g9PE6SuD170202; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:06:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:04:26 -0500 From: Tom Bellwood <bellwood@us.ibm.com> Subject: Re: [uddi-spec] Erratum an error? To: karl.best@oasis-open.org, uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org Message-id: <OF59403E03.ED4D9A83-ON86256C5D.004CFEB9@us.ibm.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Importance: Normal X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM145/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0|September 26, 2002) at 10/25/2002 08:04:31 Sensitivity: List-Owner: <mailto:uddi-spec-help@lists.oasis-open.org> List-Post: <mailto:uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>, <mailto:uddi-spec-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>, <mailto:uddi-spec-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/uddi-spec/> List-Help: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/elists/admin.shtml>, <mailto:uddi-spec-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=help> List-Id: <uddi-spec.lists.oasis-open.org> X-Filtered: Sendmail MIME Filter v2.1.0 usmailgw1.bea.com g9PE4pF20626 X-AntiVirus: Sendmail Anti-Virus Filter usmailgw1.bea.com 4.1.60 4229 g9PE4pF20626 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi Karl, Yes. I thought I had clearly stated that a couple of notes ago, but just to avoid any ambiguity. 1) UDDI V2 IS an APPROVED TC Specification 2) UDDI V3 IS an APPROVED TC Specification 3) UDDI V2 IS APPROVED to go forward in the Standards Submission process. Luc and I are currently preparing the package for that Anyone who was present at our first meeting, or who reads the minutes of that meeting is well aware of these facts. Thanks, Tom Bellwood Co-Chair, OASIS UDDI Specification TC Karl Best <karl.best@oasis-open.org> on 10/25/2002 08:38:59 AM Please respond to karl.best@oasis-open.org To: uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org cc: Subject: Re: [uddi-spec] Erratum an error? I can't follow all this discussion about "OASIS Specifications" and "Committee Drafts" etc. Let's get the terminology straight. There are two levels of approval defined in the OASIS TC Process: - Committee Specification (approved by the TC) - OASIS Standard (approved by the OASIS membership) The process for each of these is defined in http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.shtml#standards_process Luc/Tom: Are UDDI v2 and v3 both approved by the TC as Committee Specs? -Karl ================================================================= Karl F. Best OASIS - Director, Technical Operations +1 978.667.5115 x206 karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>
Received: from beamail.bea.com (beamail [206.189.42.10]) by liberty-corner.bea.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00467 for <wcox@bea.com>; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usmailgw2.bea.com (usmailgw2.bea.com [63.96.161.22]) by beamail.bea.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g9FNnHx10098; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from one.elistx.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by usmailgw2.bea.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g9FNnG001005; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0H4100A01RKA57@eListX.com>; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0H4100A04RKA53@eListX.com> (original mail from Tony.Rogers@ca.com); Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0H4100A01RK951@eListX.com> for uddi-spec@elist.lists.oasis-open.org (ORCPT uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org) ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0H4100A01RK950@eListX.com> for uddi-spec@elist.lists.oasis-open.org (ORCPT uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org); Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspams52.ca.com (aspams52.cai.com [155.35.248.76]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0H41003WWRK8GV@eListX.com> for uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by aspams52.ca.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <RGPYBK3G>; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:48:59 +1000 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:47:02 +1000 From: "Rogers, Tony" <Tony.Rogers@ca.com> Subject: RE: [uddi-spec] Issue u11: UDDI mandates UTF-8 To: UDDI list <uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org> Message-id: <4EF4335BEA233049856A7EB9D2BD115479A52F@aspams03> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-type: text/plain List-Owner: <mailto:uddi-spec-help@lists.oasis-open.org> List-Post: <mailto:uddi-spec@lists.oasis-open.org> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>, <mailto:uddi-spec-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>, <mailto:uddi-spec-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/uddi-spec/> List-Help: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/elists/admin.shtml>, <mailto:uddi-spec-request@lists.oasis-open.org?body=help> List-Id: <uddi-spec.lists.oasis-open.org> X-Filtered: Sendmail MIME Filter v2.1.0 usmailgw2.bea.com g9FNnG001005 X-AntiVirus: Sendmail Anti-Virus Filter usmailgw2.bea.com 4.1.60 4228 g9FNnG001005 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 On the "UDDI V3 as basis for future work" issue, my inner pedant insists on pointing out that the agreement was that any future work was to result in a UDDI V4, rather than an altered V3. While the idea of a V2.1 is initially attractive, it introduces even more testing: Server Client V2 (UTF-8) with V2 (UTF-8) V2 (UTF-8) with V2.1 (UTF-8) V2.1 (UTF-8) with V2 (UTF-8) V2.1 (UTF-8) with V2.1 (UTF-8) V2.1 (UTF-8) with V2.1 (UTF-16) V2.1 (UTF-16) with V2.1 (UTF-8) V2.1 (UTF-16) with V2.1 (UTF-16) Plus a case I'd expect to see fail: V2.1 client talking UTF-16 to V2 server (server probably wouldn't understand). Plus an "interesting" case: V2 client talking UTF-8 to a V2.1 server - the server would have to respond in UTF-8, for obvious reasons. Looking at all of that, my inclination is to run away! :-) I urge that we drop the idea of including UTF-16 in V2, at least, and give serious thought to the idea of not including it in V3. Tony Rogers Computer Associates Tony.rogers@ca.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dovey [mailto:matthew.dovey@las.ox.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 16 October 2002 1:15 To: Arle Lommel; UDDI list Subject: RE: [uddi-spec] Issue u11: UDDI mandates UTF-8 > Although it was agreed in the first phone meeting that > version 3 would serve as the basis for all further work, if > it were it agreed that version 2 needed "fixing" for purposes > of UTF-16 support, and that an erratum is not the proper way > of addressing the issue, would it be possible to issue a > version 2.1 specifically for this purpose, and which would be > identical to version 2, except for support for UTF-16? I think at the first meeting this issue was discussed I suggested that this was probably a Specification Change request i.e. dealt with under the process described in 1.6 of the process document rather than an erratum per se - i.e. it could be construed as feedback from implementers tackling WSI conformance. This way we can avoid the argument of whether not adopting UTF-8 was accidental or deliberate (it was clearly the latter from the discussion) and concentrate on whether we want to adopt UTF-16. As I see it there are two fundamental questions to address: i) do we want UDDI to adopt UTF-16 or stick with UTF-8? (this rests on consensus of supporting UTF-16 per se) ii) if we do adopt UTF-16 is this a specification change request for v2 and v3 or just v3. (This rests on the implementation impact on existing v2 software). In any case, I believe it was agreed that whenever a set of erratum and/or specification changes are published (and it was suggested we batch these so not to appear to be changing the standard too often), this would result in a minor version increment for UDDI (v2 is already at v2.07 or there abouts) - also that the version numbers of all the v2 documents (API, Data Structures etc) should be kept in sync (even if these means that the a document is reissued without any other change but the version number). Matthew ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>
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