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Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [virtio-comment] [RFC PATCH] admin-queue: bind the group member to the device
On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:16:40 +0800, Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 16:59:48 +0800, "Zhu, Lingshan" <lingshan.zhu@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 6/26/2023 4:09 PM, Xuan Zhuo wrote:
> > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:57:33 +0800, "Zhu, Lingshan" <lingshan.zhu@intel.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 6/26/2023 3:08 PM, Xuan Zhuo wrote:
> > >>> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:43:17 +0800, "Zhu, Lingshan" <lingshan.zhu@intel.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On 6/26/2023 2:22 PM, Xuan Zhuo wrote:
> > >>>>> The VFs of the SR-IOV are created by the user inside the guest OS, so the virtio
> > >>>>> devices don't know about these VFs. Because each VF may be assigned a different role
> > >>>>> by the user, the virtio device can not choose one VF to bind random.
> > >>>>> So only the user knows how to bind the virtio devices to the VFs.
> > >>>>> On the other hand, generally the virtio devices are not created by the user
> > >>>>> inside the guest OS. This requires some management platform to participate.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So the usage of this command:
> > >>>>> 1. The user purchases a virtio network card on the management platform,
> > >>>>> and sets the ip, queue number, etc. The user obtains the identity of
> > >>>>> the network card.
> > >>>>> 2. The user creates a VF with echo 8 > sriov_numvfs
> > >>>>> 3. The user binds the net crad to a VF with identity through the command
> > >>>>> of the patch
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Signed-off-by: Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
> > >>>>> ---
> > >>>>> admin.tex | 41 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> > >>>>> 1 file changed, 40 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> diff --git a/admin.tex b/admin.tex
> > >>>>> index 2efd4d7..64d0667 100644
> > >>>>> --- a/admin.tex
> > >>>>> +++ b/admin.tex
> > >>>>> @@ -115,7 +115,8 @@ \subsection{Group administration commands}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virti
> > >>>>> \hline \hline
> > >>>>> 0x0000 & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CMD_LIST_QUERY & Provides to driver list of commands supported for this group type \\
> > >>>>> 0x0001 & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CMD_LIST_USE & Provides to device list of commands used for this group type \\
> > >>>>> -0x0002 - 0x7FFF & - & Commands using \field{struct virtio_admin_cmd} \\
> > >>>>> +0x0002 & VIRTIO_ADMIN_CMD_BIND_DEVICE & Bind the device to one group member \\
> > >>>>> +0x0003 - 0x7FFF & - & Commands using \field{struct virtio_admin_cmd} \\
> > >>>>> \hline
> > >>>>> 0x8000 - 0xFFFF & - & Reserved for future commands (possibly using a different structure) \\
> > >>>>> \hline
> > >>>>> @@ -429,6 +430,44 @@ \subsection{Group administration commands}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virti
> > >>>>> \field{VF Enable} refer to registers within the SR-IOV Extended
> > >>>>> Capability as specified by \hyperref[intro:PCIe]{[PCIe]}.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> +\subsubsection{Bind the device for member}
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +The VFs of the SR-IOV are created by the user inside the guest OS, so the virtio
> > >>>> If the VFs are create in a guest OS, I assume that means the user has
> > >>>> passthrough-ed the
> > >>>> PF to the guest. For nested, I am not sure whether this is a security
> > >>>> issue(affects host pci).
> > >>> No care about the passthrough, we always created VFs by the PF.
> > >>>
> > >>> I should not say "inside the guest OS". I just want to say that the VF is create
> > >>> by the user in the OS. The devices does not know about it.
> > >> OK, perhaps just say create VFs from a PF in the OS?
> > > YES.
> > >
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>>>> +devices don't know about these VFs. Because each VF may be assigned a different role
> > >>>>> +by the user, the virtio device can not choose one VF to bind random.
> > >>>> I failed to understand this, once a VF is created, it has a personality,
> > >>>> e.g.,
> > >>>> create a virtio-net VF from a virtio-net PF, and PF knows that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am not familiar with the background, What do you mean by virtio device
> > >>>> choose
> > >>>> one VF to bind?
> > >>> On the cloud, the nic is created by the management platform, the
> > >>> user can not create a new nic inside the OS.
> > >>>
> > >>> So after echo sriov_numvfs, the user just got some VFs,
> > >>> there is not backend virtio-net devices.
> > >> I think it is not a "user" mange the VFs, the VFs usually provisioned by
> > >> the orchestration software and it assign properly selected a VF to a
> > >> guest on demands.
> > >
> > > Yes, but we do not need to care about the guest. Because VF may only be used
> > > in host, such as docker.
> > >
> > > The problem is that the user (you can think of this as the orchestration
> > > software) creates some VFs, these are only some PCI devices, which virtio
> > > devices will work on these VFs. I think that creating a vf and creating a
> > > virtio-net device are two different things. One is done by user in the OS, one
> > > is done on the management platform. So we need to bind them together.
> > If the VFs are created through sriov_numvfs, once created, the VF device and
> > its personality are determined.
> >
> > PCI spec says:
> > All VFs associated with a PF must be the same device type as the PF,
> > (e.g., the same network
> > device type or the same storage device type.)
> >
> > So how can the creating process be splitted into separated steps?
> >
> > Are we discussing something beyond the spec?
>
> NO.
>
> The device types are same.
>
> How do we configure the ip, mac, etc of the virtio-net device? In the cloud,
> these are managed by the management platform. On the cloud, there is an abstract
> object in the backend, which contains things that are generally configured on
> the management platform. It is something that users purchase.
> Under the virtio standard it is similar to device.
Sorry, I want to add one case.
The device may is migrated to this host. Not just purchase.
Thanks.
>
> In my understanding, we just created a pci vf, and virtio works on top of pci,
> so there must be two steps here (If I mistake, please point out.). When we create
> a vf, it doesn't mean that the backend deivce is ready. Of course, in some
> scenarios, we can immediately have a backend default device respond when the
> driver probe the vf. But in our scenario, each device is independent.
>
> Thanks.
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> So I am confused what the intention of this patch.
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>> +So only the user knows how to bind the virtio devices to the VFs.
> > >>>>> +On the other hand, generally the virtio devices are not created by the user
> > >>>>> +inside the guest OS. This requires some management platform to participate.
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +So we introduce a new admin queue command to bind the VFs and the virtio
> > >>>>> +devices.
> > >>>> Sorry, failed to process this. Maybe an orchestration sw layer can help?
> > >>>> Provision a device on demands and assign it to a guest?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +\begin{lstlisting}
> > >>>>> +struct virtio_admin_cmd_bind {
> > >>>>> + u64 identity;
> > >>>>> +};
> > >>>>> +\end{lstlisting}
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +The user got the \field{identity} from the management platform, that is not
> > >>>>> +included by this spec.
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +\drivernormative{\paragraph}{Group administration commands}{Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Device groups / Group administration commands / Bind the device for member}
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +VIRTIO_ADMIN_CMD_BIND_DEVICE requires that the \field{group_member_id} MUST be set.
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +The \field{identity} is passed by the user. It is the identity of the virtio
> > >>>>> +device.
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +\devicenormative{\paragraph}{Group administration commands}{Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Device groups / Group administration commands / Bind the device for member}
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +Every device MUST have one unique \field{identity} in the host.
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +If the PF device can not find the device by the \field{identity},
> > >>>>> +the \field{status} MUST be set to VIRTIO_ADMIN_STATUS_EINVAL.
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> +If the device is found by the \field{identity}, the device MUST work as the
> > >>>>> +device of this group member specified by the \field{group_member_id}.
> > >>>>> +
> > >>>>> \section{Administration Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Administration Virtqueues}
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> An administration virtqueue of an owner device is used to submit
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