Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [RFC PATCH v6] virtio-video: Add virtio video device specification

["Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>]

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 06:28:29PM +0200, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> >>> I also hope to be able to update virtio-video at a faster pace. Please
> >>> let me try.
> >>
> >> Please hold on a bit - there are two things here.
> >>
> >> 1) I'd like to settle the virtio-v4l2/virtio-video argument first to
> >> make sure we don't get two things clashing head-on. As far as codecs
> >> are concerned we certainly don't need both. Cornelia, I think we'll
> >> need you to make a call on this, or at least tell us what you need to
> >> make the call. If it helps I can send a draft of what the virtio-v4l2
> >> spec would look like, it should be relatively short.
> >>
> >> 2) I (and other ChromeOS contributors) have been driving this spec so
> >> far and while I think virtio-v4l2 is a better solution, I have not
> >> said I would give up on virtio-video if virtio-v4l2 was not adopted
> >> and will keep iterating on it in that case.
> >
> > It actually very much looks like you gave up. I mean, you developed it
> > for years, and now you'd like to throw it away. Well, I meant something
> > like "please have some faith in my ability to update virtio-video at a
> > faster pace". I think I already have the permission to continue the
> > development. You know, OpenSynergy also spent some time on the
> > virtio-video. This includes the draft v1 version and the V4L2 driver. I
> > think this was kind of an informal agreement between us, that you do the
> > spec and we do the driver. It didn't work well enough since draft v4, I
> > think. Now as our interests are not aligned anymore, it is fine to
> > continue separately. I'm not going to wait until you change your mind on
> > virtio-v4l2. Obviously you're very busy with it right now. If I stop and
> > wait now, we won't have the video device in the 1.3 release for sure. I
> > think when we are ready to develop virtio-video together again, we'll
> > need a better agreement.
> 
> Please, can we just calm down here? This thread is painful to read
> already, and pointing at each other is not going to help us to come up
> with something that is generally agreeable. In the end, I want _a_ spec,
> and I don't really have a horse in V4L2 vs. video race, but having to
> dig through all of this in the hope of moderating things is just
> impossible if you're arguing in circles, and much of it seemingly being
> a rehashing about who said/did something or not.

Well said Cornelia thanks for writing this.

I really stopped reading this thread, hopefully things will be better
from now on. One thing that will help is if future submissions
include a summary of alternatives and past discussion in
the cover letter.

> > That said, I very much appreciate your efforts with the spec. It
> > definitely received a lot of improvements.
> 
> 
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