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Subject: Re: [ogsi-wg] RE: [ws-caf] WS-Resource Framework
Ian, maybe I misunderstood your specifications, but I fail to see the difference: it's syntactic sugar as far as I can see. What gives you the impression that WS-Context cannot be used to model stateful resources? How you unambiguously identify a stateful instance of an object or service is by some unique identification process. WS-Context allows a series of messages directed at a specific endpoint to be correlated by a unique identifier that can be interpreted by that endpoint to represent some back-end state. Seems exactly the same patter that is illustrated in your ModelingState document on page 12. As with many things I'm sure we could argue this until the proverbial cows come home, but WS-Context does allow for the management and manipulation of stateful instances as first class entities in a Web services environment. As Savas mentioned, this was shown in an earlier paper, so I won't reiterate it here. All the best, Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Foster" <foster@mcs.anl.gov> To: "Savas Parastatidis" <Savas.Parastatidis@newcastle.ac.uk>; "Newcomer, Eric" <Eric.Newcomer@iona.com> Cc: <ws-caf@lists.oasis-open.org>; <ogsi-wg@gridforum.org> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [ogsi-wg] RE: [ws-caf] WS-Resource Framework Eric: We (the WSRF authors) are very familiar with WS-Context and certainly agree that it has an important role to play. However, we also believe that there are important situations in which stateful resources need to be identified and managed as first-class entities: thus WS-Resource Framework. Thus the enthusiastic response we are seeing to the proposal from the IBM and HP Web services teams, as well as many others. Ian. At 10:06 PM 1/22/2004 +0000, Savas Parastatidis wrote: Dear Eric, I agree with your comments. In fact, back in August 2003 we used WS-Context as an example of how stateful interactions and/or distributed units of work could be modelled. This was part of our proposals for a WSA-friendly framework for building Grid applications (http://www.neresc.ac.uk/ws-gaf). Regards, -- Savas Parastatidis http://savas.parastatidis.name From: Newcomer, Eric [mailto:Eric.Newcomer@iona.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 6:28 PM To: Mark Little; Savas Parastatidis; ws-caf@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [ws-caf] WS-Resource Framework I have the general impression of the OGSA specs as the equivalence of CORBA. On the topic of the WS-Resource Framework in particular, I've looked through the specs and I think WS-Context could have been used, and it's unfortunate it wasn't. I suppose the Resource Framework effort grew out of the Grid work however so it has a completely independent origin. I also agree that I can't see a practical difference between context management in transactions and the context management defined for the Resource Framework. It would be nice to try to converge these things at some point and in some organization - is that OASIS? _______________________________________________________________ Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A. Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997 Globus Alliance, www.globus.org <http://www.globus.org/>
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