Draft Minutes 24th May 2004 Con Call

["Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>]

OASIS WS-CAF  Technical Committee
Teleconference 24th May 2004

Present

Malik Saheb (Arjuna), Tony Fletcher, Peter Furniss & Robert Haugen (Choreology), Krishna Cheemalamarri (Fujitsu), Bryan Murray (Hewlett-Packard), John Fuller (Individual), Guy Pardon (Individual), Bill Pope (Individual), Martin Chapman, Simeon Greene &, Greg Pavlik (Oracle), Pete Wenzel (SeeBeyond)

Martin took the roll and the chair.  He expressed regrets from Eric who was travelling today.
Just at quorum 11 members present out of 21.  Peter mentioned that he could get Alastair if necessary. 
Tony Fletcher agreed to scribe.

Membership update

Dale Moberg has dropped back to Observer as he cannot make the new teleconference time.  Guy Pardon has become a prospective member (rejoining after a break).

Agenda

There were no comments on the agenda

Actions

1 Martin, change schema to allow signing (of) headers
- Martin said he did not understand the issue and will refer to Eric for clarification - Ongoing

2 Martin, Re Issue 99, determine best practice
 - not done – Ongoing.

3 Greg, confirm that correct WSDL is posted.  (Check with Simeon.)
- Greg has talked with Simon and has sent corrected WSDL about 10 days ago- Done.

4 Greg to post implementation subgroup slides from F2F.
- Greg has sent to Martin as an attachment to be posted – Done

5 Eric to find venue for demonstration
 - no known progress (but email thread suggest that Joe has facilitated the submission of a proposal into XML 2004)

6 Chairs to determined fixed location on OASIS site for namespace.
- Ongoing, Martin has talked with Eric

7 Editors to incorporate this clarification, as appropriate:
  "A referencing spec or implementation of the context service decides..."
  or "This specification does not determine whether a reference or value of the context....  This is left to the referencing specification, implementation, or user (API)."
- on to do list Greg said.  he editors are working on a new editors draft which they hope will be out shortly

8 Chairs to change meeting start time and duration in OASIS calendar system.
- Done by Martin 

Previous minutes

The minutes for 10th May 2004, which are in an attachment to an e-mail, were considered.  Greg (Pavlik) proposed approval, Bill (Pope) seconded and they were approved without objection.

Update from editors
Greg: the editors have a target to produce a new draft by the end of May.  There is already an editors’ draft that contains all the resolutions agreed at the face-to-face meeting.  This just needs tidying up now.  Greg did not know how many issues were left, though he thought not many.  So should have a stable draft in two weeks.
Martin: the plan is that the next draft should iron out all the major issues.  So the subsequent draft will be just a tidy up and then we can go for Committee Draft status.  Leave at that state until we have implementation experience.  After completing WS-Context we can then go on to the Co-ordination Framework specification.

Issues:

Addressing proposal
It was noted that this issue had been resolved at the face-to-face meeting, but that Eric had added as an agenda item for a subsequent call, so Greg said he was a little confused.  The basic idea is to have a container element in the CAF schemas, which will allow the use of another specification for the contained detailed addressing information such as WS-Addressing or something else without the CAF specification having to name that other specification. 
Martin asked if we have a concrete proposal for the Schema type / modifications.  Greg said he would be happy to send one out when Simeon has vetted.
Martin suggested using WS-Reliable Messaging solution.  Greg explained that they had actually adopted the proposed CAF solution!  Greg said it raised the issue of how to adopt common pieces of schema across OASIS.  Peter agreed, but pointed out that they are now ahead of us.  Martin expressed concern about future change control of things outside of this TC.  The WS-Reliable Messaging addressing mechanism should be in a separate namespace to facilitate wider adoption, and it is understood that it actually is.

Action 1: Martin to send out the WS-Reliable Messaging addressing solution with a view to adoption in CAF.

Open issues

Fault message format
This topic has been active on e-mail.  The consensus seems to be that CAF should develop its own messages - there does not seem to be a consensus in the wider community.  Martin suggested closing the issue with no action.  Greg formally proposed this and Brian seconded.  There were no objections and so the motion was carried. 

OASIS symposium

OASIS staff have suggested repeating the OASIS symposium in Europe 4th - 8th October, 2004 in Brussels.  It was noted the OASIS have now employed an events manager, and so the details of this event should be better handled than the previous one.  There were no phones or projectors provided last time, and a lot of overlap in membership between the TCs gave groups quorum problems.  Martin agreed that the group should only agree to meet as part of this event if there was proper support.  Also the event should be organised such that TC meetings are scheduled to minimise clashes of membership.
Martin mentioned that Jan Alexander had offered to host the CAF TC in Prague around that time and wondered if he would be upset.

Action 2:  Martin to talk about this with Jan.

As phones should be available this time folk will have the option of dialling in rather than travelling.
Martin will discuss arrangements with Eric.

Next face-to-face

The next face-to-face is scheduled for 12 - 14 July 2004 at the Oracle Conference Centre (and a nearby office for the last day), Redwood Shores, CA, USA.

Action 3:  Martin to establish a registration page. 

Implementation group

Malik (Saheb) said Arjuna has an implementation and plans to test with the Oracle implementation.  Malik reported that there have been some meetings of the implementation sub-group and he plans to update the mailing list this week on progress made. 

AOB

There was no other business and so a motion to adjourn was solicited.  Tony responded and made a motion which was approved unanimously.