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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata]
Mary Let me know if there are any issues in taking this to PR! Paul Doug Davis wrote: > > Mary, > If you download this zip file: > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.php/26268/WSRX%20OS01e1.zip > > it should contain the erratas (doc, pdf and html versions) and the new > wsdl files for the public review. Let me know if I missed something. > > thanks > -Doug > ______________________________________________________ > STSM | Web Services Architect | IBM Software Group > (919) 254-6905 | IBM T/L 444-6905 | dug@us.ibm.com > > > *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>* > Sent by: marypmcrae@gmail.com > > 11/28/2007 10:07 AM > Please respond to > mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > > > > To > "Paul Fremantle" <paul@wso2.com> > cc > Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, robin@oasis-open.org, "Sanjay Patil" > <sanjay.patil@sap.com>, ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject > Re: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata] > > > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > It *could*, but that's not what the URIs on the cover page. Right now > all of the various versions are contained in the same dir. > > m > > On Nov 28, 2007 9:59 AM, Paul Fremantle < _paul@wso2.com_ > <mailto:paul@wso2.com>> wrote: > Aha > > I think we are getting there. I guess I was assuming that the errata > would all go in a new directory. > > Paul > > Mary McRae wrote: > > Hi Paul and Doug, > > > > I'm not arguing with you. I'm not asking you to change the namespace > > itself, only to reflect the name of the new wsdl file (as we have a new > > spec+errata and errata noted) in the namespace *document*. No document > > is ever silently replaced; you have changed the wsdl file and therefore > > it either needs a new name (if going in the same location) or a new > > location (such as placing in an explicitly-labeled subdir). > > > > If you had declared a "latest version" URI for the wsdl, you would have > > a mechanism in place that would allow for updated files but a common > > point of entry. That mechanism isn't in place and since the current URI > > holds a fixed version, it can't be changed. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 9:23 AM, Paul Fremantle < _paul@wso2.com_ > <mailto:paul@wso2.com> > > <mailto:_paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>> wrote: > > > > Mary > > > > I tend to agree with Dug here. We explicitly chose to handle these > > features as errata because they make no functional change to any > system, > > they simply fix typos in the spec. However, if we change namespaces > > then > > that does change the technical behaviour. > > > > I think a change to the WSDL to fix a bug should have the same > status as > > a change to normative text in the body of the spec to fix a bug. > > > > Paul > > > > Doug Davis wrote: > > > > > > Does it change anything if you think of the it as fixing a typo > > rather > > > than any kind of functional/semantic change? > > > > > > thanks > > > -Doug > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > STSM | Web Services Architect | IBM Software Group > > > (919) 254-6905 | IBM T/L 444-6905 | _dug@us.ibm.com_ > <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com> > > <mailto:_dug@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com>> > > > > > > > > > *"Mary McRae" < _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>>* > > > Sent by: Mary McRae <_marypmcrae@gmail.com_ > <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com> > > <mailto:_marypmcrae@gmail.com_ <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>>> > > > > > > 11/27/2007 11:30 PM > > > Please respond to > > > <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> <mailto:_ mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > To > > > Doug Davis/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS > > > cc > > > "'Mary McRae'" < _marypmcrae@gmail.com_ > <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com> > > <mailto:_marypmcrae@gmail.com_ <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>>>, > "'Paul Fremantle'" > > > < _paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com> > <mailto:_paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>>, "'Sanjay Patil'" > > <_sanjay.patil@sap.com _ > <mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com><mailto:_sanjay.patil@sap.com_ > <mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com>>>, > > > <_ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>>>, < _robin@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:robin@oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_ robin@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:robin@oasis-open.org>>> > > > Subject > > > RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Doug, > > > > > > I'm conferring with Robin as to the best way to handle this. > > Clearly > > > these WSDL files are different from the previous ones and > therefore > > > silently updating them without any other action would not honor > > OASIS > > > policies. > > > > > > The namespace documents should be updated to reflect the new > WSDL > > > files; as far as any existing application goes they should either > > > change the reference, or since it isn't substantive, not worry > > about it. > > > See the following resources (text below from Robin): > > > > > > "Latest Version" URIs for Schemas, WSDLs, RDDLs, and Other > > Specification > > > Components" > > > _http://docs.oasis- > > > _open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#latestVersionURIs-schemas_ > _ > <http://open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#latestVersionURIs-schemas_> > > > > <_http://open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#latestVersionURIs-schemas_ > _ > <http://open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#latestVersionURIs-schemas_>> > > > > > > > with note: > > > _http://docs.oasis- > > > _open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#movingTargetExample__ > <http://open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#movingTargetExample_> > > > > <_http://open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#movingTargetExample_ > _ > <http://open.org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata.html#movingTargetExample_>> > > > > > > > > > > One of the concerns (the first) was stated as: > > > "Clear designation of a "Latest Version" URI as such" > > > > > > Example, in the WS-Policy RDDL namespace document, with respect > > to the > > > schema: > > > > > > _http://www.w3.org/ns/ws-policy_ > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ******* Latest XML Schema: ********* > > > > > > The following URI always points to the latest schema > > > (including errata) for the Web Services Policy 1.5 > > > namespace. The resource at this location may change > > > as new errata are incorporated. > > > > > > _http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/ns/ws-policy_ > > > > > > ******* This dated version of the XML Schema: ******* > > > > > > The following URI points to the schema for the Web > > > Services Policy 1.5 namespace corresponding to the > > > 2007-09-04 specifications. > > > > > > _http://www.w3.org/2007/02/ws-policy.xsd_ > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Doug Davis [mailto: _dug@us.ibm.com_ > <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com> <mailto: _dug@us.ibm.com_ > <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com>>] * > > > Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:12 AM* > > > To:* mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org* > > > Cc:* Mary McRae; _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>; 'Paul Fremantle'; 'Sanjay > > > Patil'; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org* > > > Subject:* RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of > Errata] > > > > > > > > > Mary, > > > I've uploaded a zip file ( > > > > > > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.php/26228/WSRX%20OS01e1.zip > _ > <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx-editors/download.php/26228/WSRX%20OS01e1.zip> > > > ) with the erratas (word, pdf and html versions). I've also > > placed the > > > updated wsdl files in there. Schemas were not changed. I've > > held off > > > including the OS versions for now - just to save time. > > > > > > As for updating the wsdl file names - wouldn't this cause a > > problem if > > > people have URLs to the existing ones and we want those > > references to > > > use the new data? > > > > > > thanks > > > -Doug > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > STSM | Web Services Architect | IBM Software Group > > > (919) 254-6905 | IBM T/L 444-6905 | _dug@us.ibm.com_ > <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com> > > <mailto:_dug@us.ibm.com_ <mailto:dug@us.ibm.com>> > > > > > > *"Mary McRae" <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_ mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>>* > > > Sent by: Mary McRae < _marypmcrae@gmail.com_ > <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com> > > <mailto:_ marypmcrae@gmail.com_ <mailto:marypmcrae@gmail.com>>> > > > > > > 11/26/2007 09:59 PM > > > > > > > > > Please respond to > > > <_ mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> <mailto:_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > To > > > < _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>>, "'Paul Fremantle'" > > <_paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com> <mailto:_paul@wso2.com_ > <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>>, > > > < _ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>>>, "'Sanjay Patil'" > > > < _sanjay.patil@sap.com_ <mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com> > <mailto:_sanjay.patil@sap.com_ <mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com>>> > > > cc > > > > > > Subject > > > RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of other things: > > > > > > Wsdl files - are there changes to these files or are they the > same as > > > originally > > > approved as OS? > > > (if they are the same, I don't need them; if they are > different, they > > > will need > > > a new file name and updated namespace documents, etc.) > > > > > > Schema files - same as above > > > > > > OS versions - These need to be identified as incorporating errata > > on the > > > cover, > > > have new URIs, etc. In reality there is no need to include these > > in the > > > PR; this > > > can be tackled once the errata have been approved post-PR. (they > > will > > > get new > > > status, dates, URIs, etc.) If you *want* to include them in the > > PR, then the > > > filenames should somehow indicate that they are cd status (since > > the TC > > > doesn't > > > use subdirs for this purpose) to avoid a naming conflict once > > approved. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mary McRae [mailto: _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>>] > > > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:47 PM > > > > To: 'Paul Fremantle'; '_ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_ ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>>'; 'Sanjay > > > Patil' > > > > Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of > > Errata] > > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > Everything looks okay except there are no HTML versions -- > > can you > > > create > > > > those? (instructions here: > > > > > > > _http://oasistcadmin.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/creating-valid-xhtml-v10-_ > > > > transitional-from-ms-word/) > > > > > > > > Let me know if you need me to do this. > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:_paul@wso2.com_ > <mailto:paul@wso2.com> > > <mailto:_paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>] > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:49 AM > > > > > To: Mary McRae; _ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_ ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis-open.org>>; Sanjay Patil > > > > > Subject: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of > Errata] > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > Any progress? > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > > Subject: Re: [ws-rx-editors] RE: Public Review of Errata > > > > > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:13:00 +0000 > > > > > From: Paul Fremantle <_paul@wso2.com_ > <mailto:paul@wso2.com> <mailto:_ paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>> > > > > > To: _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> <mailto:_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> > > > > > References: <_473DD935.5080804@wso2.com_ > <473DD935.5080804@wso2.com">mailto:473DD935.5080804@wso2.com> > > <mailto:_473DD935.5080804@wso2.com _ > <473DD935.5080804@wso2.com">mailto:473DD935.5080804@wso2.com>>> > > > > > < _473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com_ > <473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com">mailto:473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com> > > <mailto:_ 473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com_ > <473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com">mailto:473de8e0.1aad7e0a.1210.7fb8@mx.google.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > Its referenced from the vote: > > > > > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-_ > > <_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-_> > > > > > rx/download.php/25955/www.oasis- open.orgappsorgworkgroupws- > > > > > rxdownload.php25906WSRX%2520OS01e1.zip > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > Mary McRae wrote: > > > > > > Excellent! Thanks, Paul. Can you send me the doc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto: _paul@wso2.com_ > <mailto:paul@wso2.com> > > <mailto:_paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com>>] > > > > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:54 PM > > > > > >> To: _tc-admin@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:tc-admin@oasis-open.org> > > <mailto:_tc-admin@oasis-open.org _ > <mailto:tc-admin@oasis-open.org>>; Mary McRae; ws-rx-editors@lists.oasis- > > > > > _open.org_ <http://open.org/> <_http://open.org_ > <http://open.org/>> > > > > > >> Subject: Public Review of Errata > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The WS-RX TC recently voted to approve errata on the 1.1 > > spec. > > > > > >> > > > > > > _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1384_ > > <_ > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1384_> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The next step is to start a 15-day public review, for > > which we are > > > > > >> asking your help. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Paul > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Paul Fremantle > > > > > >> Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > > > > > >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Office: +1 646 290 8050 > > > > > >> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> blog: _http://pzf.fremantle.org_ > <http://pzf.fremantle.org/> > > > > > >> _paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com> > <mailto:_paul@wso2.com _ <mailto:paul@wso2.com>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", _www.wso2.com_ > <http://www.wso2.com/> > > <_http://www.wso2.com_ <http://www.wso2.com/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the > > OASIS TC that > > > > > > generates this mail. 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You may a link to this group and all your > > TCs in OASIS > > > at: > > > > > > _https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > _ <https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php> > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Fremantle > > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > > > Office: +1 646 290 8050 > > Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > > > > blog: _http://pzf.fremantle.org_ <http://pzf.fremantle.org/> > > _paul@wso2.com_ <mailto:paul@wso2.com> <mailto:_paul@wso2.com _ > <mailto:paul@wso2.com>> > > > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", _www.wso2.com_ > <http://www.wso2.com/> > > <_ http://www.wso2.com_ <http://www.wso2.com/>> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mary P McRae > > Manager of TC Administration, OASIS > > _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org _ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org><mailto:_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> > > voip: 603.232.9090 > > -- > Paul Fremantle > Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > Office: +1 646 290 8050 > Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > > blog: _http://pzf.fremantle.org_ <http://pzf.fremantle.org/>_ > __paul@wso2.com _ <mailto:paul@wso2.com> > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", _www.wso2.com_ > <http://www.wso2.com/> > > > > -- > Mary P McRae > Manager of TC Administration, OASIS _ > __mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> > voip: 603.232.9090 -- Paul Fremantle Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair Office: +1 646 290 8050 Cell: +44 798 447 4618 blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org paul@wso2.com "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
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