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Subject: RE: [ws-rx] [WS-RX] Issue i014


Jorgen:
We have a new OASIS TC to create a public standard for reliable message exchanges between
endpoints.  This is an area in which there is a considerable amount of prior art.  Not only do several
vendors offer products in this area but there are at least two prior specifications.  WS-ReliableMessaging
was accepted as input to the TC, WS-Reliability was not.  Nevertheless, it does exist and several
members of the WS-RX TC were involved in its creation.
 
WS-RX is a large TC and includes members from a wide range of companies with many different agendas.
These people will bring diverse requirements to the TC.  Requirements, perhaps, that we have never
contemplated.  I think this is goodness.  Many smart people working together will produce a better
specification that holds up longer than a few people with relatively narrow interests.
 
So, I'm not prepared to predict what the WS-RX will produce and I'm not willing to bet that it will be close
to the WS-ReliableMessaging spec.  In fact, my hunch is that it will not.  And this may be goodness.
 
So, in my personal view, we are embarking on a new enterprise that will take us in directions that none of
us can predict and I want this new enterprise to have a new name.
 

All the best, Ashok

 


From: Jorgen Thelin [mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:47 PM
To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [ws-rx] [WS-RX] Issue i014

So are you really suggesting we should change the name of the specification every time we make any "significant" change to the spec document(s)?

 

Isn't that what spec versioning and XML Namespaces are for?

 

Otherwise, we might end up with something with EJB v1.0, EJC v1.0 and EJD v1.0 rather that EJB v1.0, EJB v2.0 and EJB v3.0, to use a different illustration.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:37 PM
To: Jorgen Thelin; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [ws-rx] [WS-RX] Issue i014

 

It's early in the life of the WG so it's hard to tell,

but a number of issues have been raised that may significantly

impact functionality -- e.g. the semantics of AtMostOnce.

 

All the best, Ashok

 

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Jorgen Thelin [mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com]

> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:57 AM

> To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org

> Subject: RE: [ws-rx] [WS-RX] Issue i014

>

> Could you itemize the "significant differences" you envisage?

>

> Did the input documents to the WS-CAF TC undergo any similar

> "significant differences" compared to the current versions

> published by that TC?

>

> I am just trying to understand Oracle's thoughts and

> principles on this topic.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]

> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:48 AM

> To: Jorgen Thelin; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org

> Subject: RE: [ws-rx] [WS-RX] Issue i014

>

> My conjecture is that the specification produced by the WS-RX

> WG will have significant differences from the earlier WS-RM

> specifiaction.

> A new name will prevent confusion.

>

> All the best, Ashok

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Jorgen Thelin [mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com]

> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:26 AM

> > To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org

> > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] [WS-RX] Issue i014

> >

> > At least 7 companies are already shipping products implementing the

> > submitted WS-ReliableMessaging specs, so the current name for this

> > spec is already well established in customers minds and the market

> > place at large.

> >

> > According to MSN Search, there are already 10x more

> occurrences of the

> > term WS-RM than for WS-RX. Google produces similar results (modulo

> > confusion with various similarly named radio stations around the

> > world).

> > These figures illustrate how established the current name

> already is

> > in the industry, and how much of an uphill push it would be

> to switch

> > to a new name.

> >

> > Regarding "possible confusion with [the name of] other documents in

> > the same space", the name "Reliable Messaging"

> > is already just as different from "Reliability" as

> "Reliable Exchange"

> > is. This is like saying "oranges are better than apples

> when compared

> > to bananas"! Why make a gratuitous change to something that clearly

> > isn't broken?

> >

> > As a comparison, are there any of the specs being produced by the

> > WS-CAF TC that will be named "WS-CAF". Will Oracle be

> making a similar

> > proposal there too?

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Ashok Malhotra [mailto:ashok.malhotra@oracle.com]

> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:51 AM

> > To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org

> > Subject: [ws-rx] [WS-RX] Issue i014

> >

> > The Oracle folks would like to express our preference on issue i014.

> >

> > We would like the documents to be named WS-RX (Web Services

> Reliable

> > Exchange).

> > This aligns the names of the documents with the name of the WG.  It

> > also removes possible confusion with other documents in the same

> > space.

> >

> > All the best, Ashok

> > 

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

 



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