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Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Proposed list of issues for discussion on 10/13 conf-call


Christopher B Ferris wrote:

>
> Sanjay,
>
> I can appreciate that POV, but frankly, I think that the protocol spec 
> is far more important.
> There aren't many outstanding issues and it would be great if we could 
> close on the issues
> we have and nail down the protocol spec sooner rather than later.
>
Issue 006 could have impact on the protocol spec, and it depends on 
issues 008 and 021.

However, I agree that the email around these proposed solutions has not 
yet reached concensus.

Thus I do not mind postponing resolution of 6, 8, and 21 until further 
discussion occurs on the list.

Tom Rutt

> Cheers,
>
> Christopher Ferris
> STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
> email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> blog: http://webpages.charter.net/chrisfer/blog.html
> phone: +1 508 377 9295
>
> "Patil, Sanjay" <sanjay.patil@sap.com> wrote on 10/12/2005 12:28:03 PM:
>
> >  
> > Hi Chris,
> >  
> > I wanted to give a good try to the policy related issues on this
> > week's call and  that is why the other issues in my proposed list
> > are purely editorial.  
> >  
> > I had privately requested the owners of the policy related issues to
> > submit proposals before this week's conf-call and thankfully they
> > have responded with some proposals (may not be entirely formal) and
> > there seems to be some discussion on the list. As we all know, the
> > policy relaed issues are not very straightforward and personally I
> > can understand the issue owner's sentiment and willingness to take
> > some advice on resolution from the TC as opposed to bringing in a
> > fully baked formal proposal for vote.
> >  
> > Let us give these issues a good try tomorrow and if there is still
> > no significant outcome we may have to postopone these isssues for
> > the next F2F, etc.
> >  
> > Having said that, if  the TC at large (including the owners of the
> > policy issues) finds it prudent to postpone the policy related
> > issues, we could certainly decide to do so on the call tomorrow as
> > the first order of business (agenda approval). Meanwhile it will be
> > great to see concrete proposals for other open issues and be
> > prepared with some good subsitutes for the policy related issues.
> >  
> > Thanks,
> > Sanjay
> >
> > From: Christopher B Ferris [mailto:chrisfer@us.ibm.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, Oct 12, 2005 8:44 AM
> > To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Proposed list of issues for discussion on 
> 10/13conf-call
>
> >
> > Sanjay/Paul,
> >
> > I'm a little concerned that some of the policy-related issues on the
> > plate this week will result in
> > much lively discussion, but relatively little in the way of
> > consensus and resolution.
> >
> > I would propose that we add some of the RM-spec related issues for
> > which there are
> > concrete proposals, and which IMO could be easily and quickly
> > resolved on the call. I would
> > prefer that we focus on issues that we can resolve rather than spend
> > time on the call
> > to hash over issues that are clearly not yet approaching consensus
> > on the email list.
> >
> > i038 [1] looks like it could be easily resolved. I could go either
> > way to be honest (reference
> > RFC3986 or RFC3987 (IRI)). Since WS-Addressing has referenced
> > RFC3987 and RM leverages
> > the EPR for AcksTo, that we go with the reference to RFC3987 and be
> > done with it.
> >
> > i042 [2] is another that we should be able to close on quickly. I
> > will send a separate proposal
> > to the list.
> >
> > i023 [3] is an issue that IMO is out of scope for the TC. I will
> > send a separate proposal to the list
> >
> > Finally, I would like to make a request of the issues list editor.
> > It would REALLY help if the issues
> > list could be updated to reflect the issues resolved as soon as
> > possible after they are resolved.
> > It has been over 2 weeks since the issues list was last updated.
> > Thus, two weeks of issues
> > resolutions are not reflected in the list.
> >
> > I know what is involved in maintaining the list and that the editors
> > are busy with other responsibilities
> > (aren't we all!), but possibly the addition of an intermediate
> > status that removes an issue from "open"
> > to a status that means that it has been resolved but the specifics
> > have not been documented in the issues
> > list would be in order for times like these when there isn't enough
> > time to devote to making a full pass
> > at updating issues with the details of their resolutions, etc. It is
> > quite difficult to have to compare the
> > issues list with the minutes from the past meetings to determine
> > which issues are really open and
> > which have simply not been updated to reflect the decisions of the TC.
> >
> > [1] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.
> > php/14682/Re#i038
> > [2] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.
> > php/14682/Re#i042
> > [3] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.
> > php/14682/Re#i023
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Christopher Ferris
> > STSM, Emerging e-business Industry Architecture
> > email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> > blog: http://webpages.charter.net/chrisfer/blog.html
> > phone: +1 508 377 9295
> >
> > "Patil, Sanjay" <sanjay.patil@sap.com> wrote on 10/10/2005 05:46:24 PM:
> >
> > >
> > > Issue 37: WS-Addressing Endpoint redefined in WSRM
> > > 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/14682/Re
> > > liableMessagingIssues.xml#i037
> > >
> > > Issue 41: Presence of NACK and ACK range in the same message
> > > 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/14682/Re
> > > liableMessagingIssues.xml#i041
> > >
> > > Isssue 43: Why is wsa imported in the WSDL?
> > > 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/14682/Re
> > > liableMessagingIssues.xml#i043
> > >
> > > Issue 21: An RM Policy applies two-way
> > > 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/14682/Re
> > > liableMessagingIssues.xml#i021
> > >
> > > Issue 8: Policy assertions granularity
> > > 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/14682/Re
> > > liableMessagingIssues.xml#i008
> > >
> > > Issue 6: Source based delivery QoS policy assertion
> > > 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php/14682/Re
> > > liableMessagingIssues.xml#i006
> > >
> > > 



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