RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified

["Patil, Sanjay" <sanjay.patil@sap.com>]

I am not predicting that the TC will dispose the issue i089 on
tomorrow's call either, although I wouldn't mind being surprised here
:-)

Basically, as I see it, two out of the three submitted proposals haven't
yet been presented and discussed on the conf-calls. We could use the
conf-call to discuss these and get a sense of where we want to go. It's
possible that some of these proposals might get
dropped/withdrawn/merged. But unless we talk about these, I am concerned
that we will wear out this issue and may end up resolving it in a manner
that wouldn't reflect the overall TC's preference!

As I said earlier, we could perhaps time limit the discussion
(irrespective of whether it is the first or last issue in order) and
leave room for resolving the other issues.

Thanks for sharing your opinion!

-- Sanjay


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, Apr 26, 2006 13:35 PM
> To: Patil, Sanjay; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified
> 
> Qualitatively I agree that 89 is the biggest issue left on 
> the table. My
> predication of not getting anywhere on this issue is stated 
> below simply
> enough. There are three proposals on the table and no indication that
> the TC is more or less inclined to any of them. So ultimately, I was
> questioning how serious the TC was in wanting to address this 
> issue this
> week. With so little forward progress since the F2F on closing down
> issues, I was hoping we would get to see some this week. Closing 89
> would be significant progress, but as I have said I doubt we will be
> able to do so.
> 
> If your judgment is the TC is ready to dispense with this issue then I
> have no objection. I just wanted to share my opinion in advance of the
> call.
> 
> Marc Goodner
> Technical Diplomat
> Microsoft Corporation
> Tel: (425) 703-1903
> Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:12 PM
> To: Marc Goodner; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified
> 
> 
> Spending the precious conf-call time on going through the formality of
> resolving relatively straightforward issues and postponing the
> discussion that is necessary for the TC to make progress on some hard
> issues may not be the right strategy. It is the qualitative weight of
> the remaining open issues that is bothers me more than the mere stats.
> 
> Given that Microsoft was one of the key drivers of issue i089 (by the
> virtue of owning an AI to produce a proposal), I am not sure how to
> interpret your prediction about little chance of closure of 
> issue i089.
> 
> -- Sanjay
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, Apr 26, 2006 12:59 PM
> > To: Patil, Sanjay; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified
> > 
> > The TC does not appear to be rallying around any proposals 
> > for 89 yet so
> > I predict long discussion and no resolution.
> > 
> > If we are truly trying to push to get the issue list down to 
> > zero front
> > loading the agenda with an issue that has little chance of 
> getting to
> > closure will not help. If we spent the entire agenda on the 
> other four
> > issues and closed three of them at the expense of not discussing 89
> > today I would consider that progress. 
> > 
> > Marc Goodner
> > Technical Diplomat
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > Tel: (425) 703-1903
> > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:18 PM
> > To: Marc Goodner; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified
> > 
> > 
> > If we are really serious about discussing i089 on this 
> week's call, we
> > should take it first IMO. If we move it to the end, there is a good
> > chance that we won't reach i089 at all considering the number 
> > and nature
> > of the other issues. 
> > 
> > We can perhaps decide to timeout to accommodate discussion of other
> > issues! 
> > -- Sanjay
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, Apr 26, 2006 11:45 AM
> > > To: paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified
> > > 
> > > I would suggest that we move i089 to the end of the agenda as 
> > > I suspect
> > > we can get through most of the other issues. If i089 comes 
> > > first I doubt
> > > we will get to any other discussion.
> > > 
> > > Marc Goodner
> > > Technical Diplomat
> > > Microsoft Corporation
> > > Tel: (425) 703-1903
> > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: paul@wso2.com [mailto:paul@wso2.com] 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:18 AM
> > > To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified
> > > 
> > > 
> > > WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting has been modified by Mr. Paul Fremantle
> > > 
> > > Date:  Thursday, 27 April 2006
> > > Time:  01:00pm - 02:30pm PT
> > > 
> > > Event Description:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dial-in Thanks to Nortel
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> > > IRC/Q Mgmt(thanks to DougD): 
> > http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/wsrx
> > > 
> > > Agenda:
> > > 1) Roll Call
> > > 
> > > 2) Review and approval of the agenda
> > > 
> > > 3) Approval of minutes:
> > > 
> > > April 13th, 2006 meeting minutes
> > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.ph
> > > p/17806/Mi
> > > nutesWSRX-041306.html
> > > 
> > > April 20th, 2006 minutes
> > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.ph
> > > p/17813/Mi
> > > nutesWsrx-42006.htm
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 4) Administrative Issues
> > > 
> > > 	Editor's update: latest WD
> > > 
> > > 	Sponsorship of TC calls
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 5) AI Review
> > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/members/act
> > > ion_items.
> > > php
> > > 
> > > 6) New issues since last conf-call
> > > Wait for email.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 7) Issue Discussion:
> > >  a> i089 suggest the restricted use of anonymous URI
> > >  
> > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue
> > > s.xml#i089
> > > 
> > >  b> i106	Bob Freund	 SequenceAcknowledgement:Final
> > > assumption of deliverability
> > >  
> > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue
> > > s.xml#i106
> > >  
> > >  c> i115	Gilbert Pilz	"must understand" attribute for
> > > extensions to RM components
> > >  
> > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue
> > > s.xml#i115
> > >  
> > >  d> i114	Christopher B Ferris	Figure 2 (cd3) is out of date
> > > with the changes to the potocol (sic)
> > >  
> > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue
> > > s.xml#i114
> > > 
> > >  e> i116	Doug Davis	Add Max Msg Num to Message Number
> > > Rollover Fault
> > >  
> > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue
> > > s.xml#i116
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 8) Any other business
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Minutes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This event is one in a list of recurring events.
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> > > Thursday, 15 June 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT
> > > Thursday, 22 June 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT
> > > 
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