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Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified
> -----Original Message----- > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] > Sent: Wednesday, Apr 26, 2006 2:07 PM > To: Marc Goodner; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified > > > I am not predicting that the TC will dispose the issue i089 on > tomorrow's call either, although I wouldn't mind being surprised here > :-) > > Basically, as I see it, two out of the three submitted > proposals haven't > yet been presented and discussed on the conf-calls. We could use the > conf-call to discuss these and get a sense of where we want > to go. It's > possible that some of these proposals might get > dropped/withdrawn/merged. But unless we talk about these, I > am concerned > that we will wear out this issue and may end up resolving it > in a manner > that wouldn't reflect the overall TC's preference! > > As I said earlier, we could perhaps time limit the discussion > (irrespective of whether it is the first or last issue in order) and > leave room for resolving the other issues. > > Thanks for sharing your opinion! Why after reading this thread am I inspired to offer this little poem on tactics for issue resolution in standards bodies: When there is doubt Wear them out No more discussion close with no action > > -- Sanjay Cheers, --umit > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, Apr 26, 2006 13:35 PM > > To: Patil, Sanjay; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified > > > > Qualitatively I agree that 89 is the biggest issue left on > > the table. My > > predication of not getting anywhere on this issue is stated > > below simply > > enough. There are three proposals on the table and no > indication that > > the TC is more or less inclined to any of them. So ultimately, I was > > questioning how serious the TC was in wanting to address this > > issue this > > week. With so little forward progress since the F2F on closing down > > issues, I was hoping we would get to see some this week. Closing 89 > > would be significant progress, but as I have said I doubt we will be > > able to do so. > > > > If your judgment is the TC is ready to dispense with this > issue then I > > have no objection. I just wanted to share my opinion in > advance of the > > call. > > > > Marc Goodner > > Technical Diplomat > > Microsoft Corporation > > Tel: (425) 703-1903 > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:12 PM > > To: Marc Goodner; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified > > > > > > Spending the precious conf-call time on going through the > formality of > > resolving relatively straightforward issues and postponing the > > discussion that is necessary for the TC to make progress on > some hard > > issues may not be the right strategy. It is the qualitative > weight of > > the remaining open issues that is bothers me more than the > mere stats. > > > > Given that Microsoft was one of the key drivers of issue > i089 (by the > > virtue of owning an AI to produce a proposal), I am not sure how to > > interpret your prediction about little chance of closure of > > issue i089. > > > > -- Sanjay > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, Apr 26, 2006 12:59 PM > > > To: Patil, Sanjay; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified > > > > > > The TC does not appear to be rallying around any proposals > > > for 89 yet so > > > I predict long discussion and no resolution. > > > > > > If we are truly trying to push to get the issue list down to > > > zero front > > > loading the agenda with an issue that has little chance of > > getting to > > > closure will not help. If we spent the entire agenda on the > > other four > > > issues and closed three of them at the expense of not > discussing 89 > > > today I would consider that progress. > > > > > > Marc Goodner > > > Technical Diplomat > > > Microsoft Corporation > > > Tel: (425) 703-1903 > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Patil, Sanjay [mailto:sanjay.patil@sap.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:18 PM > > > To: Marc Goodner; paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified > > > > > > > > > If we are really serious about discussing i089 on this > > week's call, we > > > should take it first IMO. If we move it to the end, there > is a good > > > chance that we won't reach i089 at all considering the number > > > and nature > > > of the other issues. > > > > > > We can perhaps decide to timeout to accommodate > discussion of other > > > issues! > > > -- Sanjay > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Marc Goodner [mailto:mgoodner@microsoft.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, Apr 26, 2006 11:45 AM > > > > To: paul@wso2.com; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we move i089 to the end of the agenda as > > > > I suspect > > > > we can get through most of the other issues. If i089 comes > > > > first I doubt > > > > we will get to any other discussion. > > > > > > > > Marc Goodner > > > > Technical Diplomat > > > > Microsoft Corporation > > > > Tel: (425) 703-1903 > > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/mrgoodner/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: paul@wso2.com [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:18 AM > > > > To: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > Subject: [ws-rx] Groups - WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting modified > > > > > > > > > > > > WS-RX TC Weekly Meeting has been modified by Mr. Paul Fremantle > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, 27 April 2006 > > > > Time: 01:00pm - 02:30pm PT > > > > > > > > Event Description: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dial-in Thanks to Nortel > > > > +1 919 997 8152 > > > > Access code 248 6414 # > > > > Mute - *6; unmute - *7 > > > > > > > > IRC/Q Mgmt(thanks to DougD): > > > http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/wsrx > > > > > > > > Agenda: > > > > 1) Roll Call > > > > > > > > 2) Review and approval of the agenda > > > > > > > > 3) Approval of minutes: > > > > > > > > April 13th, 2006 meeting minutes > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.ph > > > > p/17806/Mi > > > > nutesWSRX-041306.html > > > > > > > > April 20th, 2006 minutes > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.ph > > > > p/17813/Mi > > > > nutesWsrx-42006.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Administrative Issues > > > > > > > > Editor's update: latest WD > > > > > > > > Sponsorship of TC calls > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) AI Review > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/members/act > > > > ion_items. > > > > php > > > > > > > > 6) New issues since last conf-call > > > > Wait for email. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) Issue Discussion: > > > > a> i089 suggest the restricted use of anonymous URI > > > > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue > > > > s.xml#i089 > > > > > > > > b> i106 Bob Freund SequenceAcknowledgement:Final > > > > assumption of deliverability > > > > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue > > > > s.xml#i106 > > > > > > > > c> i115 Gilbert Pilz "must understand" attribute for > > > > extensions to RM components > > > > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue > > > > s.xml#i115 > > > > > > > > d> i114 Christopher B Ferris Figure 2 (cd3) > is out of date > > > > with the changes to the potocol (sic) > > > > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue > > > > s.xml#i114 > > > > > > > > e> i116 Doug Davis Add Max Msg Num to > Message Number > > > > Rollover Fault > > > > > > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-rx/issues/ReliableMessagingIssue > > > > s.xml#i116 > > > > > > > > > > > > 8) Any other business > > > > > > > > > > > > Minutes: > > > > > > > > > > > > This event is one in a list of recurring events. > > > > Other event dates in this series: > > > > > > > > Thursday, 06 April 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 13 April 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 20 April 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 04 May 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 11 May 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 18 May 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 25 May 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 01 June 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 08 June 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 15 June 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > Thursday, 22 June 2006, 01:00pm to 02:30pm PT > > > > > > > > View event details: > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/event.php?e > > > > vent_id=11 > > > > 209 > > > > > > > > PLEASE NOTE: If the above link does not work for you, > your email > > > > application may be breaking the link into two pieces. 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