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Excellent! I (and PaulF and others I believe) had supported this idea in the past (of referencing a closed set of 1.2 and 1.5 WSP versions from the RM specs). Is there anybody fundamentally opposed to this idea at this point of time? If there are no objections, I suggest the editors to produce and circulate a new draft with corresponding changes in advance of the next week's call. -- Sanjay >-----Original Message----- >From: Gilbert Pilz [mailto:Gilbert.Pilz@bea.com] >Sent: Thursday, Mar 22, 2007 11:43 AM >To: Anish Karmarkar; Marc Goodner >Cc: Christopher B Ferris; Ashok Malhotra; Doug Davis; Martin >Chapman; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org >Subject: RE: [ws-rx] Groups - Latest Editors WSRX Files >(Latest WSRX.zip) uploaded > >I would have to agree. A finite set of WS-Policy versions is >preferable to a >open-ended set. > >- gp > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anish Karmarkar [mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:20 AM >> To: Marc Goodner >> Cc: Christopher B Ferris; Ashok Malhotra; Doug Davis; Martin >> Chapman; ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org >> Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Groups - Latest Editors WSRX Files >> (Latest WSRX.zip) uploaded >> >> I think changing the spec along these lines, i.e. allowing >only 1.2 or >> 1.5 version of the policy would allow us to move forward >> (with better interop than allowing any version of wsp). So +1. >> >> -Anish >> -- >> >> Marc Goodner wrote: >> > I think we should address this the same way SP handled it, >> allow reference to 1.2 or 1.5. That has a much more >> complicated usage of Policy than what we have here. This >> change would also permit an updated reference to the final >> Rec or even a future revision as an errata rather than a full >> revision of our own specs. I think we could still progress >> the specs with this change. >> > >> > --- Text updates >> > Add this text to the end of the paragraph in section 2 of >> the WS-RM Policy spec and 3.4 of MakeConnection: >> > "The assertions defined within this specification have been >> designed to work independently of a specific version of >> WS-Policy. At the time of the publication of this >> specification the versions of WS-Policy known to correctly >> compose with this specification are WS-Policy 1.2 and 1.5. >> Within this specification the use of the namespace prefix wsp >> refers generically to the WS-Policy namespace, not a specific >> version." >> > >> > No text update is required for RM, it only mentions Policy >> non-normatively. No assertions or usage of features is described. >> > >> > --- Namespace prefix table updates >> > Strike wsp from the namespace prefix table of WS-RM Policy. >> > >> > The wsp prefix is not in RM or MC. >> > >> > --- References >> > Here are what the updated references would be for all three specs: >> > [WS-Policy] W3C Member Submission "Web Services Policy 1.2 >> - Framework", 25 168 April 2006. >> > >> > http://www.w3.org/Submission/2006/SUBM-WS-Policy-20060425/ >> > >> > W3C Candidate Recommendation "Web Services >> Policy 1.5 - 171 Framework", 28 February 2007 >> > >> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-ws-policy-framework-20070228/ 173 >> > >> > [WS-PolicyAttachment] W3C Member Submission "Web Services >> Policy 1.2 - Attachment", 25 April 2006. >> > >> > >http://www.w3.org/Submission/2006/SUBM-WS-PolicyAttachment-20060425/ >> > >> > W3C Candidate Recommendation "Web Services >> Policy 1.5 - 178 Attachment", 28 February 2007 >> > >> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-ws-policy-attach-20070228/ >> > >> > --- >> > There are no schema changes required for any of the specs. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Anish Karmarkar [mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:26 PM >> > To: Christopher B Ferris >> > Cc: Ashok Malhotra; Doug Davis; Martin Chapman; >> > ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org >> > Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Groups - Latest Editors WSRX Files (Latest >> > WSRX.zip) uploaded >> > >> > In that case, shouldn't the normative reference point to the CR >> > version not the member submission? Or at least to the LC draft. >> > >> > -Anish >> > -- >> > >> > Christopher B Ferris wrote: >> >> WS-Policy 1.5 Framework and Attachment specs are in Candidate >> >> Recommendation status as of yesterday. >> >> >> >> Is that "not far enough along in the standards process"? >> Basically, >> >> there are two stages remaining. >> >> PR and REC. The CR phase is the Call for Implementations >> phase. The >> >> WG has identified exit criteria of 4 interoperating >> implementations >> >> of each of the features of the specs with the exclusion of >> >> 4 features that require only 2. As of this week, we have 2 >> published >> >> endpoints that are interoperating on the set of interop test >> >> scenarios defined for the first 3 rounds of the interop scenarios. >> >> >> >> To me, that suggests that the specs are far enough along in the >> >> standards process to be referenced. >> >> The namespace is final (unless the specs revert to Working >> Draft) in >> >> the CR. >> >> >> >> When we went though the CR transition, it was pretty clear >> that the >> >> changes made to the specs since the Last Call were of a >> >> non-substantive nature (e.g. no features added or >> removed). The most >> >> significant change was to the namespace itself. >> >> >> >> Must we go through another review period just to change a >> reference >> >> from the LC draft to the CR? I certainly hope not. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Christopher Ferris >> >> STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy >> >> email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com >> >> blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris >> >> phone: +1 508 377 9295 >> >> >> >> "Ashok Malhotra" <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote on 03/01/2007 >> >> 12:51:45 PM: >> >> >> >> > Martin means CR. WS-Policy CR was approved recently. Perhaps >> >> even yesterday. >> >> > >> >> > All the best, Ashok >> >> > >> >> > > -----Original Message----- >> >> > > From: Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com] >> >> > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:43 AM > > To: >> dug@us.ibm.com; >> >> ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [ws-rx] >> Groups - Latest >> >> Editors WSRX Files (Latest >> >> WSRX.zip) >> >> > > uploaded >> >> > > >> >> > > Sorry if this is a late comment, but the normative ws-policy >> >> reference in > > wsrmp seems inappropriate to me. >> >> > > The charter says: >> >> > > >> >> > > The TC will not attempt to define functionality >> duplicating that >> >> of any >> >> > > normatively referenced specification in the input >> >> > > WS-ReliableMessaging or WS-RM Policy specifications. If the >> >> referenced >> >> > > specification is outside of a standardization >> >> > > process at the time this TC moves to ratify its >> deliverables, or >> >> is not >> >> > > far along enough in the standardization process, >> >> > > any normative references to it in the TC output >> will be expressed >> >> in an >> >> > > abstract manner, and the incarnation will be left >> >> > > at that time as an exercise in interoperability. >> >> > > >> >> > > I don't believe in this case the member submission is "far >> >> along enough" >> >> > > since there is a Last Call version. >> >> > > >> >> > > Cheers, >> >> > > Martin. >> >> > > >> >> > > >-----Original Message----- >> >> > > >From: dug@us.ibm.com [mailto:dug@us.ibm.com] > > >Sent: >> >> Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:18 PM > > >To: >> ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org >> >> > > >Subject: [ws-rx] Groups - Latest Editors WSRX Files >> (Latest > > >> >> >WSRX.zip) uploaded > > > > > > > > >The document >> revision named >> >> Latest Editors WSRX Files (Latest > > >WSRX.zip) has been >> submitted >> >> by Mr. Doug Davis to the OASIS > > >Web Services Reliable >> Exchange >> >> (WS-RX) TC document repository. >> >> > > > This document is revision #44 of Latest WSRX.zip. >> >> > > > >> >> > > >Document Description: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >View Document Details: >> >> > > >> >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/document.php >> >> > > >?document_id=22657 >> >> > > > >> >> > > >Download Document: >> >> > > >> >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/download.php >> >> > > /22657/Latest%20WSRX.zip >> >> > > >> >> > > Revision: >> >> > > This document is revision #44 of Latest WSRX.zip. >> The document >> >> details > > page referenced above will show the complete >> revision history. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > PLEASE NOTE: If the above links do not work for you, >> your email >> >> > > application may be breaking the link into two pieces. >> You may be >> >> able to > > copy and paste the entire link address into >> the address >> >> field of your web > > browser. >> >> > > >> >> > > -OASIS Open Administration >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >
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