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Subject: RE: FW: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call]
Yes. I don't know how that plays into your plans for your next meeting, but if most of the Members haven't attended in quite some time it shouldn't have much of an impact on roster management. Mary > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:26 PM > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > Cc: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: FW: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference > call] > > So in essence ONLY members who *recently* lost their voting status > regain it. > > Thanks > Paul > > Mary McRae wrote: > > ... copying my response to Paul to the TC list. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mary McRae [mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:15 PM > > To: 'Paul Fremantle'; 'tc-admin@oasis-open.org' > > Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference > call] > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Let me try to illustrate how this works. First, what you have identified > as [2] > > below doesn't apply since your TC *does* hold Meetings. Only [1] is > relevant. > > > > What the rule says is "... or, if less than two Meetings are called > <<<within 60 > > days after the loss of such rights>>> ..." > > > > Note that it does not say "if the TC holds less than two Meetings within > 60 > > days" -- it's 60 days from the date which the Member lost voting rights. > > > > This is best described in table format and you need to know when each > Member > > lost their voting rights. If two meetings were held within a 60-day > period after > > they lost their voting rights, and they failed to attend them, then they > remain > > Members. If, however, two meetings were *not* held within the 60-day > period > > following their loss of voting rights, they automatically regain them. > > > > You have 51 Members. I'm going to try a couple of examples. (By going to > Meeting > > Attendance I can see who attended what meetings - thankfully you use the > Kavi > > roster!) > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws- > rx/members/attendance.php?page=0 > > > > > > Top of the list: > > Charlton Barreto (Adobe) > > Assuming that he was a voting member on 11-29-2007, he then missed two > meetings > > in a row (1-17-2008 and 2-14-2008). That means at the end of the meeting > on 14 > > Feb he lost voting rights. One meeting was held on 28 Feb 2008; Charlton > did not > > attend. If another meeting is not held prior to 14 April, there will not > have > > been 2 meetings within 60 days of his losing voting rights and he should > be > > changed to Voting Member on 14 April. > > > > Let's take Marc Goodner (Microsoft) next. > > He either was a Voting Member or gained voting rights at the end of the > meeting > > on 17 Jan. He then missed the next two meetings, which means he lost his > voting > > rights at the end of the meeting on 28 Feb. If two meetings aren't held > between > > 29 Feb and 29 April, he will automatically regain Voting Rights on 29 > April. > > > > Anyone who lost their voting rights prior to the 14 Feb meeting wouldn't > be > > under consideration since two meetings were held within 60 days following > their > > loss of voting rights. > > > > Hopefully that makes sense; let me know if you have further questions! > > > > Regards, > > > > Mary > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:44 PM > >> To: tc-admin@oasis-open.org > >> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call] > >> > >> Mary > >> > >> Any chance of some clarification. Our concern is that we do not wish to > >> have suddenly a large number of voting members who don't turn up and > >> therefore mess up our quorum. (We have a lot of inactive members) > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call > >> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:05:16 +0000 > >> From: Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com> > >> To: Doug Bunting (WSSP) <Douglas.R.Bunting@microsoft.com> > >> CC: wsrx <ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org> > >> References: <47DFA99D.3080400@wso2.com> > >> <C14A40B34FCAA7499C1BFD4617B5D055325594F223@NA-EXMSG- > >> C112.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> > >> > >> Doug > >> > >> Actually thats an interesting question. I had assumed that since there > >> were 56 days between the two meetings that counted as "2 meetings in 60 > >> days". However, the OASIS procedures text is pretty complex to > understand. > >> > >> It says: > >> "[1] A TC Member who has lost his or her voting rights shall regain them > >> for a TC that holds Meetings by attending two consecutive Meetings (as > >> recorded in the minutes), thus regaining voting rights after the end of > >> the second Meeting attended or, if less than two Meetings are called > >> within 60 days after the loss of such rights, at the close of that 60th > >> day. [2] A Member of a TC that does not hold Meetings may regain voting > >> rights by making a request to the chair(s) to regain them, effective at > >> the close of the 60th day after the request." > >> > >> (my numbers in brackets) > >> > >> So [1] seems to contradict what I was thinking: it seems to imply that > >> we have to have two meetings within 60 days of the last meeting (i.e. 3 > >> meetings in 61 days). > >> > >> However, [2] implies that this doesn't happen automatically. The members > >> only get voting rights IF they apply to the chair. So I would assert > >> that we only need to hold the meetings in case we get a mass application > >> for voting rights from non-voters. > >> > >> As an aside, I believe that OASIS have worded this incorrectly. Imagine > >> I am member X who lost voting rights last year. Now I want them back. I > >> apply to the chair, and either there are two meeting I can attend, or I > >> get them on the 60th day. Right? Well that's obviously the intent. But > >> [1] says "if less than two Meetings are called within 60 days after the > >> loss of such rights". So "the loss of such rights" happened to member X > >> last year. And last year we continuously had meetings. Its only this > >> year we are being slack. So [1] doesn't apply to member X. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Doug Bunting (WSSP) wrote: > >>> Paul, > >>> > >>> As discussed during our last call, don't we need /2/ meetings in 60 > days > >> to avoid problems with quorum at the following meeting? > >>> thanx, > >>> doug > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > >>> Sent: March-18-08 04:38 > >>> To: wsrx > >>> Subject: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call > >>> > >>> Folks > >>> > >>> I don't see any reason to hold this coming conference call. If we > cancel > >>> this one, the next call still lies within the 60 days mandated by the > >>> OASIS rules. > >>> > >>> If there are no suggestions of business for the meeting, or other > >>> objections, by the end of Thursday I will cancel. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> Paul > >>> -- > >>> Paul Fremantle > >>> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > >>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > >>> VP, Apache Synapse > >>> > >>> Office: +44 844 484 8143 > >>> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > >>> > >>> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > >>> paul@wso2.com > >>> > >>> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > >> OASIS > >>> at: > >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > >> OASIS > >>> at: > >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Paul Fremantle > >> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > >> VP, Apache Synapse > >> > >> Office: +44 844 484 8143 > >> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > >> > >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > >> paul@wso2.com > >> > >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > >> OASIS > >> at: > >> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Paul Fremantle > >> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > >> VP, Apache Synapse > >> > >> Office: +44 844 484 8143 > >> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > >> > >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > >> paul@wso2.com > >> > >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > > generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > OASIS > > at: > > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > > > > > -- > Paul Fremantle > CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > VP, Apache Synapse > > Office: +44 844 484 8143 > Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > paul@wso2.com > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > OASIS > at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
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