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Subject: RE: FW: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call]
Hi Paul, Yes - as long as there have been two meetings held within 60 days since a member lost their voting rights, and (obviously) they didn't attend those meetings, they are not subject to this clause. Regards, Mary > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:36 PM > To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > Cc: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: FW: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference > call] > > Mary > > Just to clarify. This only affects Members who have lost their rights at > then end of either of the two meetings this year, since any one who lost > their rights at previous meetings would be covered by the meetings we've > had since then. > > Based on this (and my examination of the attendance table) there is only > one member who will gain voting rights if cancel next weeks meeting. > > Doug, > > I'm happy to hold the meeting - at this rate there won't be any business > except the roll-call, and approval of minutes. Thoughts? > > Paul > > Mary McRae wrote: > > Yes. I don't know how that plays into your plans for your next meeting, > but if > > most of the Members haven't attended in quite some time it shouldn't have > much > > of an impact on roster management. > > > > Mary > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:26 PM > >> To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org > >> Cc: ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org > >> Subject: Re: FW: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next > conference > >> call] > >> > >> So in essence ONLY members who *recently* lost their voting status > >> regain it. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Paul > >> > >> Mary McRae wrote: > >>> ... copying my response to Paul to the TC list. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Mary > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Mary McRae [mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:15 PM > >>> To: 'Paul Fremantle'; 'tc-admin@oasis-open.org' > >>> Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference > >> call] > >>> Hi Paul, > >>> > >>> Let me try to illustrate how this works. First, what you have > identified > >> as [2] > >>> below doesn't apply since your TC *does* hold Meetings. Only [1] is > >> relevant. > >>> What the rule says is "... or, if less than two Meetings are called > >> <<<within 60 > >>> days after the loss of such rights>>> ..." > >>> > >>> Note that it does not say "if the TC holds less than two Meetings > within > >> 60 > >>> days" -- it's 60 days from the date which the Member lost voting > rights. > >>> > >>> This is best described in table format and you need to know when each > >> Member > >>> lost their voting rights. If two meetings were held within a 60-day > >> period after > >>> they lost their voting rights, and they failed to attend them, then > they > >> remain > >>> Members. If, however, two meetings were *not* held within the 60-day > >> period > >>> following their loss of voting rights, they automatically regain them. > >>> > >>> You have 51 Members. I'm going to try a couple of examples. (By going > to > >> Meeting > >>> Attendance I can see who attended what meetings - thankfully you use > the > >> Kavi > >>> roster!) > >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws- > >> rx/members/attendance.php?page=0 > >>> > >>> Top of the list: > >>> Charlton Barreto (Adobe) > >>> Assuming that he was a voting member on 11-29-2007, he then missed two > >> meetings > >>> in a row (1-17-2008 and 2-14-2008). That means at the end of the > meeting > >> on 14 > >>> Feb he lost voting rights. One meeting was held on 28 Feb 2008; > Charlton > >> did not > >>> attend. If another meeting is not held prior to 14 April, there will > not > >> have > >>> been 2 meetings within 60 days of his losing voting rights and he > should > >> be > >>> changed to Voting Member on 14 April. > >>> > >>> Let's take Marc Goodner (Microsoft) next. > >>> He either was a Voting Member or gained voting rights at the end of the > >> meeting > >>> on 17 Jan. He then missed the next two meetings, which means he lost > his > >> voting > >>> rights at the end of the meeting on 28 Feb. If two meetings aren't held > >> between > >>> 29 Feb and 29 April, he will automatically regain Voting Rights on 29 > >> April. > >>> Anyone who lost their voting rights prior to the 14 Feb meeting > wouldn't > >> be > >>> under consideration since two meetings were held within 60 days > following > >> their > >>> loss of voting rights. > >>> > >>> Hopefully that makes sense; let me know if you have further questions! > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Mary > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 4:44 PM > >>>> To: tc-admin@oasis-open.org > >>>> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference > call] > >>>> > >>>> Mary > >>>> > >>>> Any chance of some clarification. Our concern is that we do not wish > to > >>>> have suddenly a large number of voting members who don't turn up and > >>>> therefore mess up our quorum. (We have a lot of inactive members) > >>>> > >>>> Paul > >>>> > >>>> -------- Original Message -------- > >>>> Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call > >>>> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:05:16 +0000 > >>>> From: Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com> > >>>> To: Doug Bunting (WSSP) <Douglas.R.Bunting@microsoft.com> > >>>> CC: wsrx <ws-rx@lists.oasis-open.org> > >>>> References: <47DFA99D.3080400@wso2.com> > >>>> <C14A40B34FCAA7499C1BFD4617B5D055325594F223@NA-EXMSG- > >>>> C112.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> > >>>> > >>>> Doug > >>>> > >>>> Actually thats an interesting question. I had assumed that since there > >>>> were 56 days between the two meetings that counted as "2 meetings in > 60 > >>>> days". However, the OASIS procedures text is pretty complex to > >> understand. > >>>> It says: > >>>> "[1] A TC Member who has lost his or her voting rights shall regain > them > >>>> for a TC that holds Meetings by attending two consecutive Meetings (as > >>>> recorded in the minutes), thus regaining voting rights after the end > of > >>>> the second Meeting attended or, if less than two Meetings are called > >>>> within 60 days after the loss of such rights, at the close of that > 60th > >>>> day. [2] A Member of a TC that does not hold Meetings may regain > voting > >>>> rights by making a request to the chair(s) to regain them, effective > at > >>>> the close of the 60th day after the request." > >>>> > >>>> (my numbers in brackets) > >>>> > >>>> So [1] seems to contradict what I was thinking: it seems to imply that > >>>> we have to have two meetings within 60 days of the last meeting (i.e. > 3 > >>>> meetings in 61 days). > >>>> > >>>> However, [2] implies that this doesn't happen automatically. The > members > >>>> only get voting rights IF they apply to the chair. So I would assert > >>>> that we only need to hold the meetings in case we get a mass > application > >>>> for voting rights from non-voters. > >>>> > >>>> As an aside, I believe that OASIS have worded this incorrectly. > Imagine > >>>> I am member X who lost voting rights last year. Now I want them back. > I > >>>> apply to the chair, and either there are two meeting I can attend, or > I > >>>> get them on the 60th day. Right? Well that's obviously the intent. But > >>>> [1] says "if less than two Meetings are called within 60 days after > the > >>>> loss of such rights". So "the loss of such rights" happened to member > X > >>>> last year. And last year we continuously had meetings. Its only this > >>>> year we are being slack. So [1] doesn't apply to member X. > >>>> > >>>> Paul > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Doug Bunting (WSSP) wrote: > >>>>> Paul, > >>>>> > >>>>> As discussed during our last call, don't we need /2/ meetings in 60 > >> days > >>>> to avoid problems with quorum at the following meeting? > >>>>> thanx, > >>>>> doug > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > >>>>> Sent: March-18-08 04:38 > >>>>> To: wsrx > >>>>> Subject: [ws-rx] Potentially cancelling next conference call > >>>>> > >>>>> Folks > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't see any reason to hold this coming conference call. If we > >> cancel > >>>>> this one, the next call still lies within the 60 days mandated by the > >>>>> OASIS rules. > >>>>> > >>>>> If there are no suggestions of business for the meeting, or other > >>>>> objections, by the end of Thursday I will cancel. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> Paul > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Paul Fremantle > >>>>> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > >>>>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > >>>>> VP, Apache Synapse > >>>>> > >>>>> Office: +44 844 484 8143 > >>>>> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > >>>>> > >>>>> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > >>>>> paul@wso2.com > >>>>> > >>>>> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >>>>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs > in > >>>> OASIS > >>>>> at: > >>>>> https://www.oasis- > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >>>>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs > in > >>>> OASIS > >>>>> at: > >>>>> https://www.oasis- > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Paul Fremantle > >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > >>>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > >>>> VP, Apache Synapse > >>>> > >>>> Office: +44 844 484 8143 > >>>> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > >>>> > >>>> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > >>>> paul@wso2.com > >>>> > >>>> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >>>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > >>>> OASIS > >>>> at: > >>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Paul Fremantle > >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > >>>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > >>>> VP, Apache Synapse > >>>> > >>>> Office: +44 844 484 8143 > >>>> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > >>>> > >>>> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > >>>> paul@wso2.com > >>>> > >>>> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > >> OASIS > >>> at: > >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Paul Fremantle > >> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > >> VP, Apache Synapse > >> > >> Office: +44 844 484 8143 > >> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > >> > >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > >> paul@wso2.com > >> > >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > >> OASIS > >> at: > >> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > > generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > OASIS > > at: > > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > > > > > -- > Paul Fremantle > CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > VP, Apache Synapse > > Office: +44 844 484 8143 > Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > paul@wso2.com > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
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