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Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Designated Cross References
Monica Thanks for the detailed feedback. Given that we have a motion from the TC to proceed with a CS vote including DCR references to the SX CS vote, and there is no consensus to change that decision, then I think we should continue the process and ask Mary to start the CS Ballot. Paul Monica Martin wrote: > > Paul, > I agree, the difference is subtle but quite important. The DCR gives us the capability to update now. This will ensure the WS-RX set used for the final ballot will point to CS version of WS-SX specifications. > > More importantly, it mitigates any chance of comments or swaying of votes. We as a WS-RX TC may understand the mechanics oblivious to member voting entities. If the specification used for the final vote does not have the CS WS-SX set of references, there is a chance some members may vote NO during the final ballot, since they may be concerned that the specification is pointing to editors' drafts of the WS-SX set. I'd be cautious in pursuing other than Option #1. > > Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:59 AM > To: Monica Martin > Cc: Patil, Sanjay; wsrx; Ram Jeyaraman > Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Designated Cross References > > Monica > > Doesn't the DCR guarantee that the references will be updated in time? > In effect we are asking Members to vote on "the RX spec with the > references eventually updated", and the guarantee that the RX spec won't > become OS until such time as the references are updated. > > This seems analogous to the sort of conditional ballots we do quite > regularly like this one: > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-rx/ballot.php?id=1384 > > Paul > > Monica Martin wrote: >> Everyone, >> Option #1 allows us to update the references at Committee Specification stage and prior to a Member Vote (MV). Otherwise, we could enter the MV with WS-SX editors' draft references. This could raise concerns, result in comments, or influence votes for OASIS Standard. I suggest we take the safer bet with Option #1. >> >> Regards. >> Monica J. Martin >> Microsoft Corporation >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:04 AM >> To: Patil, Sanjay >> Cc: wsrx >> Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Designated Cross References >> >> Sanjay >> >> I'm afraid that I didn't understand your point at the time! >> I agree option 2 seems more intelligent. >> >> Paul >> >> Patil, Sanjay wrote: >>> Option 2) makes a lot of sense to me (I tried to point this out on our >>> last conf-call). OS is a terminal stage and deferring the DCR to OS >>> leaves us with more independence in progressing our TC's specs through >>> other stages (CS, and possibly another CD, etc) as and when we want. >>> >>> -- Sanjay >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, Jul 23, 2008 8:31 AM >>>> To: wsrx >>>> Subject: [ws-rx] Designated Cross References >>>> >>>> Folks, >>>> >>>> Our TC administrator has pointed out that there are two options for >>>> using the "designated cross references" to the SX committee. >>>> >>>> 1) We do a DCR to SX it at this stage (CS), and our TC then >>>> waits until >>>> the SX TC gets to CS. >>>> >>>> 2) We do NOT do a DCR to SX a this stage (CS), which means >>>> we get to CS >>>> almost immediately. Then we do an OASIS Standard Vote in >>>> the next cycle >>>> and do the DCR to SX at that stage instead. That means our >>>> specs go out >>>> for vote to the OASIS membership and we are effectively >>>> done. Once the >>>> SX specs become OASIS Standard then we also become OASIS Standard. >>>> >>>> Effectively, what Mary is saying is that we can finish our >>>> work earlier >>>> by delaying the DCR-to-SX until the OASIS Standard vote. >>>> >>>> This seems to make sense to me, and was something I hadn't >>>> considered, >>>> so before we start the CS vote I wanted the TC to comment. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> PS it seems like the WSTX TC is going through the same >>>> decision process >>>> at this point. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Paul Fremantle >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 >>>> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair >>>> VP, Apache Synapse >>>> >>>> Office: +44 844 484 8143 >>>> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 >>>> >>>> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org >>>> paul@wso2.com >>>> >>>> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgr >>>> oups.php >>>> >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >>> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >>> >>> >> -- >> Paul Fremantle >> CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 >> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair >> VP, Apache Synapse >> >> Office: +44 844 484 8143 >> Cell: +44 798 447 4618 >> >> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org >> paul@wso2.com >> >> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that >> generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: >> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php >> >> >> > > -- > Paul Fremantle > CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 > OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > VP, Apache Synapse > > Office: +44 844 484 8143 > Cell: +44 798 447 4618 > > blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org > paul@wso2.com > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > -- Paul Fremantle CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2 OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair VP, Apache Synapse Office: +44 844 484 8143 Cell: +44 798 447 4618 blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org paul@wso2.com "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
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