Re: [ws-rx] Ballots wrong - need date

["Paul Fremantle" <paul@wso2.com>]

Mary

 

Three comments:

1. That text is NOT clear. I don't see how anyone reading that is meant to deduce that this is an expected date that the DCR will become a spec. In addition its not clear how this is meant to work: I cannot give you an expected date for when the DCRs from THIS committee will become a CS because I don't know when you will start the vote for them. Its also not stated at all in the process what happens if that date is not met and therefore I cannot see how I'm meant to know this is what you are asking for.

2. If this is a requirement for the process it would have been good if you made it clear when we FIRST asked you to raise this as a ballot. In addition we did not provide this data, but you still managed to start an original ballot without it.

3. I don't see why we have to have a ballot to start a ballot. We made the motion in the clear understanding that the TC Administrator would HELP us get the ballots phrased correctly. If the ballots are incorrectly phrased then the TC can vote NO when the ballot is available.

 

Paul

 

On 8/7/08, Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> wrote:

Hi Paul,

In section 2.19, it states:
The text of a proposed Designated Cross-Reference Change to a specification must
include and may only include: the name, version and revision number; expected
approval status; date; and URI for each other specification to be
cross-referenced

That's the date the cross-referenced spec is expected to reach approval status.

Regards,

Mary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:50 PM
> To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
> Cc: Monica Martin; wsrx
> Subject: Re: [ws-rx] Ballots wrong - need date
>
> Mary
>
> Now I'm getting really frustrated. Please point me to the place in the
> rules where it states we NEED a "timeout" date for the DCR vote?
>
> You specified this - I assumed it was a standard part of the process,
> but I don't see where it states we NEED it. If it is not part of the
> OASIS TC process as documented here:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php
>
> then perhaps you could start the ballot as originally requested over two
> week. If it is then I will leave it to Sanjay to deal with during my
> vacation.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Mary McRae wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >   I think the TC needs a new motion. The existing motion was to request
> > the TC Administrator to start a ballot. That motion was acted upon, with
> > the result that the request was rejected by the TC Administrator since
> > it did not contain the requisite information.
> >
> >   The TC is now free to make a new motion - with or without the
> > cross-references to the SX specs. If the SX cross-references are to be
> > included, the motion must include the stage and projected completion
> date.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mary
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Paul Fremantle <paul@wso2.com
> > <mailto:paul@wso2.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I think we are getting mixed messages here.
> >
> >     We have a motion to start a TC ballot asap. The initial plan was to
> >     tie the RX CS to the SX CS, and go forward.
> >
> >     Then Mary suggested we do NOT tie the RX CS to the SX CS and then do
> >     our OASIS Standard vote with a DCR to the SX OASIS standard vote.
> >
> >     Microsoft pushed back against Mary's proposal, and asked us to
> >     continue with the initial plan. The vote requires a rough date for
> >     SX CS.
> >
> >     Now the latest email you have said you cannot give us a potential
> >     date for the SX CS vote and we should go into limbo until September.
> >     As far as I'm concerned that is NOT an option - it doesn't meet the
> >     requirements of the motion which was to ask OASIS to start the vote.
> >
> >     We can EITHER:
> >     1) Pick a date and go ahead with the plan of record. Based on your
> >     data I would propose a date such as enf-November to give the SX TC
> >     plenty of time.
> >
> >     2) Decouple our CS vote from SX as proposed by Mary.
> >
> >     I have my own preferences, but they aren't really relevant. The
> >     decision process is this:
> >
> >     * We have a voted, approved motion from the last call to go ahead
> >     with option 1. So unless there is unanimous consent to change our
> >     plan of record, we need to do option 1. Mary has asked for a date to
> >     do this, so therefore we need to come up with a date. Unless there
> >     is objection I will go forward with November 30th.
> >     * Alternatively, if there is a change of heart and we get unanimous
> >     consent to go forwards with option 2, then we can go back to Mary
> >     and get her to re-instate the ballot.
> >
> >     I am going on vacation as of tonight, so I'm hereby asking Sanjay to
> >     take over managing this process.
> >
> >     Regards,
> >     Paul
> >
> >
> >     Monica Martin wrote:
> >
> >         Paul, we may have a clearer picture of WS-SX progress in
> >         mid-late September (next meeting 11 September). WS-SX Public
> >         Review ends 23 September, placing any CS vote in ~October 2008.
> >         [1] We should consider an optimal approach to keep WS-SX, WS-TX
> >         and WS-RX fairly aligned to enter Member Vote. I suggest a
> >         checkpoint in September to consider a timeout horizon and
> >         whether a fallback plan is needed (such as whether to promote
> >         WS-SX set references to the current CDs if CS isn't achieved).
> >
> >         Thanks. mo
> >
> >         [1] SX Public Review notice:
> >         http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-
> announce/200807/msg00011.html
> >
> >
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:paul@wso2.com
> <mailto:paul@wso2.com>]
> >         Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:38 AM
> >         To: wsrx
> >         Subject: [ws-rx] Ballots wrong - need date
> >
> >         It seems the ballots started didn't agree with the TC's motion,
> >         so Mary
> >         is restarting them.
> >
> >         However, we need a "timeout" date. If the SX specs don't make it
> >         to TC
> >         by that date, then the RX specs are promoted using references to
> the
> >         current CD.
> >
> >         I also propose we lengthen the ballot length from 2 weeks to 3
> given
> >         that a lot of people are off on vacation in August.
> >
> >         Please can someone on the SX TC let us know their proposed
> schedule?
> >
> >         Paul
> >         --
> >         Paul Fremantle
> >         CTO and Co-Founder, WSO2
> >         OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
> >         VP, Apache Synapse
> >
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> VP, Apache Synapse
>
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> Cell: +44 798 447 4618
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