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Subject: WS-SX TC Minutes, Feb 15 2006


WS-SX TC Minutes, Feb 15 2006

Summary of new Action items:

AI-2006-02-15-01 Gudge to draft a revised proposal for Issue 9.

AI 2006-02-15-02 Prateek to give a proposed use case for Issue 10 before
the next call.

AI 2006-02-15-03 C.Y Chao to propose to the TC whether Issue 015 should
be closed or not due to revealing the information might be a security
risk.

AI 2006-02-15-04 Prateek to propose resolution to Issue 20 by Feb 17.

AI 2005-02-15-05 Chairs to add information to the public page on how to
access previous versions of the Issues List.  They are available from
the URI http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-sx/issues/

AI 2005-02-15-06 Prateek to provide additional broader scenarios for at
least WS-Trust.

AI 2005-02-15-07 TC members to come to the April F2F with data on when
they would be ready to carry out SC/Trust interop.

1. Call to order/roll call

Present:
Frank Siebenlist, Argonne National Laboratory* 
Jong Lee, BEA Systems, Inc.* 
Hal Lockhart, BEA Systems, Inc.* 
Corinna Witt, BEA Systems, Inc.* 
Symon Chang, Blue Titan Software* 
Steve Anderson, BMC Software* 
Rich Levinson, Computer Associates* 
Yakov Sverdlov, Computer Associates* 
Nick Ragouzis,  Enosis Group LLC 
Dana Kaufman, Forum Systems, Inc.* 
Toshihiro Nishimura, Fujitsu Limited* 
Greg Whitehead, Hewlett-Packard* 
Ching-Yun (C.Y.) Chao, IBM* 
Henry (Hyenvui) Chung, IBM* 
Heather Hinton, IBM* 
Kelvin Lawrence, IBM* 
Michael McIntosh, IBM* 
Anthony Nadalin, IBM* 
Michael Perks, IBM* 
Scott Cantor, Internet2* 
Bob Morgan, Internet2* 
Mike Lyons, Layer 7 Technologies Inc.* 
Jan Alexander, Microsoft Corporation* 
Paul Cotton, Microsoft Corporation* 
Colleen Evans, Microsoft Corporation* 
Mark Fussell, Microsoft Corporation* 
Marc Goodner, Microsoft Corporation* 
Martin Gudgin, Microsoft Corporation* 
Chris Kaler, Microsoft Corporation* 
Jonathan Marsh, Microsoft Corporation
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corporation* 
Jeff Hodges, Neustar, Inc.* 
Frederick Hirsch, Nokia Corporation* 
Abbie Barbir, Nortel Networks Limited* 
Paul Knight, Nortel Networks Limited* 
Lloyd Burch, Novell* 
Steve Carter, Novell* 
Howard Bae, Oracle Corporation* 
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corporation* 
jeff mischkinsky, Oracle Corporation* 
Prateek Mishra, Oracle Corporation* 
Vamsi Motukuru, Oracle Corporation* 
Alex Hristov, Otecia Incorporated* 
John Hughes*, PA Consulting* 
Martijn de Boer, SAP AG* 
Martin Raepple, SAP AG* 
Jiandong Guo, Sun Microsystems* 
Hubert Le Van Gong, Sun Microsystems* 
Eve Maler, Sun Microsystems* 
Don Adams, Tibco Software Inc.* 
Hans Granqvist, VeriSign *

2. Reading/Approving minutes of last meeting (Feb 8)
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200602/msg00028.html

Adopted unanimously.

3. Charter clarification ballot(s) status 

The first ballot changes have now been made by the OASIS staff:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ws-sx/charter.php 

The second charter ballot has been started and ends on Feb 15:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-sx/ballot.php?id=950

This ballot appears on its way to success since the current vote is
47/50.

4. Issues list 
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-sx/issues/Issues.xml

a) Review of action items

ai-06 - Chairs to hold a F2F attendance ballot starting Mar 1 and
closing at least two weeks before the F2F. 
Due to start on Mar 1.

ai-09 - Editors to check that XPath examples in WS-SecurityPolicy are
fully namespace qualified. 
In progress.

ai-2006-01-25-04 - Tony Nadalin will look into the possibility of
hosting an interop event at the April F2F location 
Tony has the day allocated for interop.  See below.

ai-2006-02-08-01 - Chairs to ensure the list of voting members on the
roster is correct. 
DONE.  Kelvin fixed the roster last week.

ai-2006-02-08-02 - Chairs to re-run the charter clarification ballot #2
a second time (after fixing the roster). 
DONE.

ai-2006-02-08-03 - Marc Goodner to post WS-SX issue template to TC site
and Chairs to put it in a prominent location to make it easier to find. 
ai-2006-02-08-04 - TC members to review the initial interop scenarios by
the Feb 15 TC meeting so that the TC can decide at that meeting whether
the TC has "critical mass" for an Apr F2F interop event.
Pending.

ai-2006-02-08-04 - TC members to review the initial interop scenarios by
the Feb 15 TC meeting so that the TC can decide at that meeting whether
the TC has "critical mass" for an Apr F2F interop event.
See Any Other Business below.

b) Issues in Review status

None.

c) New issues

i022   XML tags of properties according to the properties  

i023   Properties for Algorithm Suite missing or wrong  

i024   [Protection Order] Property using same source for keys  

i025   Chap. 6.5 [Token protection] conflicts with chapter 8.3 and 8.4  

i026   Chapter 6.7 [Security Header Layout]  

i027   When to include a token?  

i028   Multiple supporting tokens of the same type?  

i029   Which token to use to encrypt/sign in case of multiple tokens
defined in a supporting token assertion?  

i030   Need a mechanism to identify token assertions  

i031   Clarification for UsernameToken assertion  

All of the issues i022-i031 were accepted and move to Active status.  We
need owners for these issues.  We skipped over processing of these for
this week partially since the originator was not present.

i032  Deriving keys from passwords
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200602/msg00059.html 
This issue is not yet in the Issue list.

Hal explained that generally SecurityPolicy should cover all the
features of the referenced specs e.g. deriving keys from passwords as
defined in WSS 1.1.

AI 2005-02-15-05 Chairs to add information to the public page on how to
access previous versions of the Issues List.  They are available from
the URI http://docs.oasis-open.org/ws-sx/issues/ 

Change to Active status with Hal Lockhart as the owner.

d) Active issues

i003  Prateek Mishra  Use of term "binding" in specs 
Gudge is preparing a proposal for this issue. Pending. 

i004  Paul Cotton  Transitive closure spec dependencies
Pending.  

i008  Editors  Need well formed XML examples  
Pending.

i009  Hal Lockhart  Support for different key pairs for sign and encrypt
in 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200602/msg00057.html 
Hal pointed out that the same keys are used for encryption and
signature.  Hal did not cover the error case of providing too many
properties.  

Gudge commented that we probably only need the four additional
properties and can remove the two existing properties.  Hal and Tony
agreed with this direction.  This is the same way the symmetric binding
works.

AI-2006-02-15-01 Gudge to draft a revised proposal for Issue 9.

i010  Prateek Mishra  Proof of possession for security intermediaries
Prateek's post of this morning:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200602/msg00070.html 

AI 2006-02-15-02 Prateek to give a proposed use case for Issue 10 before
the next call.

i015  C.Y. Chao  Support error handling in RequestSecurityToken
extension mechanism  
In progress.  Jan Alexander indicated that the solution to this issue
could pose a security risk since it asks for additional information.
Jan asked for C.Y Chao to explain why there is not a security risk.

AI 2006-02-15-03 C.Y Chao to propose to the TC whether Issue 015 should
be closed or not due to revealing the information might be a security
risk.

i016  Michael McIntosh  sp:SignedParts mechanism 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200602/msg00014.html  
Skipped since Mike was not available.

i017  Michael McIntosh  sp:RequiredElements mechanism 
Skipped since Mike was not available. 

i018  Michael McIntosh  absolute XPath expressions
Skipped since Mike was not available.  

i020   Describe minimum acceptable lengths for P_SHA1 inputs  ws-trust
design   
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200602/msg00016.html
Prateek is reviewing the TLS construction based on Chris Kaler's
suggestion that 16 bytes is sufficient.  Prateek is also working on
Hal's suggestion to look at derived keys construction.

AI 2006-02-15-04 Prateek to propose resolution to Issue 20 by Feb 17.

i021  Editors  Correct section numbers in SP  
In progress.

5. Other business 

a) ai-2006-01-25-02 - Marc Goodner to work on an initial interop
scenarios document. Prateek Mishra also offered to help.
DONE.  See:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-sx/200602/msg00010.html  

ai-2006-02-08-04 - TC members to review the initial interop scenarios by
the Feb 15 TC meeting so that the TC can decide at that meeting whether
the TC has "critical mass" for an Apr F2F interop event.

Tony Nadalin said he would be willing to work on SC/Trust interop.  Hal
Lockhart agreed on concentrating on SC/Trust first.

Tony Nadalin said IBM would be ready to interop using the SC/Trust
scenarios at the April F2F.  He also said that IBM would be willing to
do virtual interop on these scenarios either before and/or after the
F2F.

Layer 7 can do WS-Trust and possibly WS-SecureConversation at the April
F2F.

Tony asked when wire flows would be available.  Marc said he had a
pending action items to provide these.

Eve Maler said that Sun was unable to resource a F2F interop in April.
Eve noted that they would not even be able to do virtual interop in that
timeframe due to other commitments e.g. JavaOne is in May this year.  

Paul Cotton asked if anyone else could volunteer to do virtual interop.
Paul said that Microsoft could definitely do virtual interop.  

Prateek Mishra said that he had asked the Oracle engineering team about
the interop scenarios and he has not yet heard back on which scenarios
they could do.  He said that Oracle was more likely to be able to do
WS-Trust testing only.  Oracle is not sure how much progress they have
made on key derivation which is required in several scenarios.

Hal stated that he felt the TC members were not ready to do interop at
the April F2F.

Prateek asked how the TC was going to develop more broad scenarios.  Hal
and Paul suggested that Prateek suggest additional scenarios.   Paul
pointed out that the TC only needed to do the "minimum required to
declare victory" when it comes to doing interop.

AI 2005-02-15-06 Prateek to provide additional broader scenarios for at
least WS-Trust. 

Prateek also said that he wanted to work on the use cases with Tony and
to use this to possibly drive more interop scenarios.
 
Chris Kaler asked when the TC members are going to be ready to do
interop?  Eve pointed out that the current specs have already been
tested as part of the "workshop process".  Tony and Hal pointed out that
one advantage 
of doing the interop in the TC is that new people not involved in the
"workshop process" can get involved.

AI 2005-02-15-07 TC members to come to the April F2F with data on when
they would be ready to carry out SC/Trust interop.

6. Adjournment 

The meeting adjourned at about 8:30am PST.

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Nepean, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (613) 225-5445 Fax: (425) 936-7329
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