Alistair,
At the end of the day these are issues that you submitted and as chair
this week I will be looking to you to lead the discussion in any case.
At this point I would just say let's see how the discussion goes
Thursday rather than try to tweak the agenda further.
Thanks,
Eric
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alastair Green [mailto:alastair.green@choreology.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:04 PM
To: Ian Robinson
Cc: Newcomer, Eric; ws-tx@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [ws-tx] Groups - WS-TX Bi-Weekly Concall modified
Ian,
I have no problem with issue 008 being discussed in advance of issue
009.
I disagree with the approach of seeking to isolate or sequence the three
issues 007, 009 and 014. I think that will make the discussion less
clear. It is no accident that the email discussion has referenced all
three issues (in substance) in the same breath -- and indeed, their
interconnectedness (in terms of the original design intent, and the
proposed alternatives) have become more apparent as the discussion has
progressed.
I don't want to focus on procedure -- the reality is that the discussion
on 007 (and at least one proposed resolution) will inevitably involve
discussion of the R/R MEP, as I think is evidenced by the recent e-mail
exchanges, and similarly, of the multiple virtues (or demerits) of using
participant ids. My worry is that we artificially attempt to segregate
the strands of the substantive technical discussion.
If we discuss 007, but do not reach for an immediate resolution, then
that will help to inform the resolution of all three issues. Obviously
the TC will have to decide how to proceed on the day.
Alastair
Ian Robinson wrote:
Alastair, the first business on the last call was to accept a request
to
move issue 9 off the agenda and replace it with issue 8. In the end,
we did
not get as far as discussing issue 8, but that is why issue 8 is on
this
week's agenda rather than issue 9.
While issue 9 may have some dependency on the outcome of issue 7 I do
not
believe any discussion of issue 9 is required in order to address 7.
The same is true of issue 14.
I think we'll be doing well to get through this week's agenda as it
stands.
If we succeed in resolving 7, I'd anticipate issues 9 and 14 being on
the
agenda of one of the next few telecons. It may be easy to get to grips
with
#7 if we don't throw too much in the pot at the same time.
Regards,
Ian Robinson
STSM, WebSphere Messaging and Transactions Architect
IBM Hursley Lab, UK
ian_robinson@uk.ibm.com
Alastair Green
<alastair.green@c
horeology.com>
To
Ian Robinson/UK/IBM@IBMGB
20/01/2006 14:42
cc
ws-tx@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject
Re: [ws-tx] Groups - WS-TX
Bi-Weekly Concall modified
Dear Ian,
My apologies first of all for not making the last meeting.
Looking at the minutes, it seems that issue 009 (RR MEP useful?) was
deferred for lack of time, but does not appear on the proposed agenda
for
next week.
In my view issues 007 (RR retriable), 009 and 014 (EPRs comparable,
participant ids) are closely related and the e-mail discussion has
criss-crossed all three. Therefore I would propose that the agenda
group
them together for initial discussion rather than trying to pick them
off in
isolation. (Each will obviously need a specific resolution, but it is
difficult to arrive at resolutions without considering the three
together.)
In the light of the discussion on procedure, it may help if I liaise
with
Peter to post precise written motions in advance of the meeting with
proposed resolutions on these three issues.
I would like to propose an additional agenda item: "Posting canonical
versions of schemas and WSDL for reference in issues and issue
resolutions". I have mailed the list twice on this topic, and I
believe
this can be resolved by a simple action item on the spec editors.
Regards,
Alastair
ian_robinson@uk.ibm.com wrote:
WS-TX Bi-Weekly Concall has been modified by Dr Ian Robinson
Date: Thursday, 26 January 2006
Time: 11:30am - 01:00pm ET
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Agenda:
Draft agenda.......
1. Roll Call - chair
2. Confirm Paul as minute taker - chair
3. Approve minutes of Jan 12 telecon - chair
4. Call for AOB - chair
5. Action Review - Paul
??
6. Potential new issues to accept - Colleen
Brief statement of each proposed new issue. There is no need to
consider the merit of any proposed resolution at this stage. In
general the TC will accept issues that are not reopening
resolved
issues and that are in-scope. Accepted issues move from "review"
state to "active" state.
i0xx New issue....
7. Issue resolution
i018 split out of 002 a) - Distinguish example from normative,
for
subordinated CreateCoordinationContext behaviour
i019 Split out 002 b)-- Avoid normative reference to
subcoordinator
identifier inheritance
i020 Split out 002 c) -- Avoid normative statements on sameness
of
super- and sub-coordinator coordination types
i021 Split out 002 d) -- Avoid normative statements on timing
of
sub-coordinator registration
There is a concrete proposal that covers all 4 of these
issues:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ws-tx/email/archives/200601
/msg00022.html
i008 Remove fault 4.6 AlreadyRegistered
i007 Make Register/RegisterResponse retriable
i017 Inconsistencies in OASIS templates
i015 Replace namespace and action URIs
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