RE: [wsbpel] Proposed Motion

["Steve Ross-Talbot" <steve@enigmatec.net>]

All:

Generally I support the changes but only if the most pressing question
is asked first. It really is a two stage process. We need to know if the
license and royalty restrictions that may be in place can be removed. If
they cannot then the other things follow. But the simple question is to
ask for license and royalty free access.

Cheers

Steve T

-----Original Message-----
From: Rand Anderson [mailto:randerson@macgregor.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 14:07
To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: 'Sally St. Amand'; 'donald.steiner@webv2.com'
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Proposed Motion 


+1 on this revised motion - clean and clear, it is appropriately more
general in scope. The BoF can then refine and recommend the appropriate
objectives related to licensing for the TC, based on initial input from
those interested.

I wouldn't say that working out licensing issues is part of the purpose
of this TC, but they (the issues) certainly are relevant to the traction
dimension of the protocol as a proposed standard. I personally would
like to
*start* by just understanding how the licensing terms will affect
implementers and adopters, before jumping into trying to influence the
terms themselves.

Rand

-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Steiner [mailto:donald.steiner@webv2.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 5:13 PM
To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: 'Sally St. Amand'
Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Proposed Motion 


This seems a bit overly complicated to me (understandably so, as it was
dynamically pieced together from the various suggestions during the
course of the call this morning).

I would propose the following rather broad remit, and leave it up to the
BoF to follow through on other suggestions (e.g. proposing to drop all
licensing restrictions, which IMHO would be quite unusual). 


"The TC recommends creation of a Birds of a Feather group (BoF) to
examine licensing issues related to the BPEL4WS v1.1 specification as
submitted at the first meeting and implementations thereof. To aid in
this process:

1) TC chairs will request details of the current licensing terms from
the 5 original submitting members, which should be made available to the
TC membership before the next face-to-face meeting.
2) The BoF shall be open to the TC membership.
3) The BoF shall consider comments from the TC membership, which shall
be submitted by email or in person.
4) When practical and possible, the legal representatives of the
submitting members should be made available to discuss the observations
and/or recommendations of the BoF.
5) The BoF group shall meet at the next face-to-face meeting."


Personally, I would like to see the original submitters publish a joint
licensing agreement that is automatically offered to anybody using the
specs. (Note, this does not say what the details of said license
agreement would be, it would just make things un-bureaucratic and
transparent as far as the formalities are concerned.)

Best,

 - Donald


-----Original Message-----

From: Sally St. Amand [mailto:sallystamand@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:35 AM
To: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [wsbpel] Proposed Motion 


On the conference call scheduled for 5/21 a MOTION ON LICENSING be
introduced. The Motion is

The TC Co-Chairs will ask each of the 5 companies licensing the BPEL
v1.1 specifications 1) if they are willing to remove the licensing
restrictions, and 2) for a contact who can represent the company in
discussions with the TC on this issue. A Birds of a Feather (BoF) group
be formed from the member of the TC Committee to obtain information and
get clarification from the 5 companies who are licensing the BPEL v1.1
specification. The initial information to include a draft version of
each of the 5 companies licensing agreements. 
The BoF group to make available to all TC members each and all versions
of the licensing agreements for the BPEL v1.1 specification. In addition
the BoF group will serve as the focal point for receiving questions on
the issue of licensing and getting clarification, for creating
mechanisms to publicize the issue to TC members and the public at-large,
and for specifying the need for legal assistance if warranted. The BoF
group will take comments and questions by email, and will meet at the
face-to-face.
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Send your revisions and comments to at least me, Diane or John. A
consensus motion will be on the agenda for the conference call. 
Sally



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