RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation definitions

["Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>]

The fundamental difference is that in the WSIF case the application can manipulate the "Header" abstract message described in issue 77 (if I understand your response correctly). In the case of BPEL, the language cannot currently manipulate that same information.

Ugo 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:sanjiva@watson.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: Ugo Corda; Ron Ten-Hove
> Cc: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation 
> definitions
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> Yes absolutely, but how does that affect BPEL? As far as BPEL is
> concerned, there's a single message which is sent/received- whether
> some of the stuff goes as headers, others by carrier pigeon and the
> rest via SOAP body is not anyone but the binding's business.
> 
> Sanjiva.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
> To: "Ron Ten-Hove" <Ronald.Ten-Hove@Sun.COM>; "Sanjiva Weerawarana"
> <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>
> Cc: <wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation 
> definitions
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> I conclude from this that my WSIF example seems appropriate for this
> discussion. WSIF would be able to support a case like the one 
> I gave for
> issue 77, and it would be able to map the "Header" abstract 
> message to any
> particular binding I want to express (including, but not 
> limited to, SOAP -
> in particular, bindings that don't even have the concept of a 
> header)). Is
> that correct?
> 
> Ugo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Ten-Hove [mailto:Ronald.Ten-Hove@Sun.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:30 AM
> To: Sanjiva Weerawarana
> Cc: wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation 
> definitions
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> WSIF is a set of bindings for Java and J2EE; it doesn't 
> extend WSDL in any
> non-standard way that I am aware of. WSIF "understands" WSDL 
> files that use
> those bindings. The message model is plain WSDL 1.1.
> 
> -Ron
> 
> Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm confused .. can you give an example of what you mean by
> 
> "abstract messages that are not part of an abstract operation"?
> 
> Maybe I haven't understood what you have in mind ..
> 
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> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Sanjiva.
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> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Ugo Corda"   <mailto:UCorda@SeeBeyond.com> 
> <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
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> To: "Sanjiva Weerawarana"   <mailto:sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>
> <sanjiva@watson.ibm.com>; "Francisco Curbera"
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> Cc: "Ron Ten-Hove"   <mailto:Ronald.Ten-Hove@Sun.COM>
> <Ronald.Ten-Hove@Sun.COM>; "Satish Thatte"
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> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:04 AM
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> Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation 
> definitions
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> So are you saying that WSIF can only process a subset of all the legal
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> (according to WSDL 1.1) WSDL files? (Please notice that I am 
> not talking
> 
> about adding any extension at the abstract level - just 
> supporting what is
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> allowed by WSDL 1.1)
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> 
> Ugo
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [ mailto:sanjiva@watson.ibm.com]
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:00 PM
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> To: Ugo Corda; Francisco Curbera
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> Cc: Ron Ten-Hove; Satish Thatte;  wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org;
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> ygoland@bea.com
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> Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Issue - 77 - Under specified operation
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> definitions
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> "Ugo Corda"   <mailto:UCorda@SeeBeyond.com> 
> <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com> writes:
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> Just curious: does WSIF allow you to define abstract
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> messages that are not
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> part of an abstract operation?
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> Ugo
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> No it doesn't; WSIF only adds additional bindings to WSDL,
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> not anything
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> at the abstract level.
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> Sanjiva.
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