RE: [wsbpel] The sad tail of obtaining licenses for BPEL4WS 1.1

["John Evdemon" <jevdemon@microsoft.com>]

Martin,

Microsoft's BPEL4WS license agreement is available online at http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/docs/bpel_license.aspx.  

You can also send an email with any questions you may have to stdsreq@microsoft.com.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions or concerns.

Sincerely,

John Evdemon
Microsoft
Office: +1 425 722 4105
Mobile: +1 425 765 7570


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Ader [mailto:ader@wngs.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: Derick Townsend [Openstorm]; Steve Ross-Talbot; ws bpel tc
> Cc: eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com;
> patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [wsbpel] The sad tail of obtaining licenses for BPEL4WS
> 1.1mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
> 
> I did posted a request on the Microsoft site (some four months ago) , and
> never had an answer.
> My goal was to judge the readiness of the openness of the specification, and
> check the licensing conditions.
> This is a key point when assisting my large customers in selecting
> "standards" specifications.
> The issue is still open! Thank you to report it.
> 
> Martin Ader
> Workflow & Groupware Stratégies (W&GS)
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derick Townsend [Openstorm]" <dt@openstorm.com>
> To: "Steve Ross-Talbot" <steve@enigmatec.net>; "ws bpel tc"
> <wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Cc: <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>; <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>;
> <patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [wsbpel] The sad tail of obtaining licenses for BPEL4WS
> 1.1mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
> 
> 
> | I have had similar problems. I thought I was making good progress with
> IBM, having reached the Program Director for Intellectual Property and
> Licensing. She stated that a new RF license was being developed. However,
> after numerous email and phone conversations that contact went dark about a
> month ago. Here is the contact info if someone else wants to try. Please
> share the URL or doc for the license assuming you find it.
> |
> | Marcia Courtemanche
> | Program Director
> | Intellectual Property and Licensing
> | NOTES:  mcourtem@us.ibm.com
> | OFFICE:  914-765-4341, TL 251-4341, FAX extension 4420
> |
> | I have not had any luck with Siebel.
> |
> | DT
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Steve Ross-Talbot [mailto:steve@enigmatec.net]
> | Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:13 AM
> | To: ws bpel tc
> | Cc: eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org; jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com;
> | patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org
> | Subject: [wsbpel] The sad tail of obtaining licenses for BPEL4WS
> | 1.1mailto:eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
> |
> |
> | Dear all,
> |
> | A sad tail about the of licensing BPEL4WS1.1.
> |
> | As some of you may remember  the issues of licensing and license
> | mechanisms were raised at the start of the TC. We were all assured
> | that even though there are 5 authors of the BPEL4WS1.1 specification -
> | the base for the TC -  we should not worry. It would all be fine and
> | the authors would figure out a way to ensure that those who are
> | interested would be able to obtain licenses without any real
> | hinderance.
> |
> | So mid Sept2003 I embarked on license discovery. A little known process
> | to obtain the 5 license agreements from the 5 authors of the BPEL4WS1.1
> | specification.
> |
> | On the web I managed to get licenses from Microsoft (thanks) and BEA
> | (thanks). And within a month from SAP (thanks to them also) too.
> |
> | IBM and Siebel had no web available licensing (as far as I could tell).
> | I sent in a request to IBM late October, having waited passively for
> | some information about the licenses from the TC, and (several people
> | and emails later) I am still waiting for a license from IBM. The latest
> | news, despite the fact that I have an outstanding email into IBM, is
> | that a license agreement from them is on the Oasis website (dated June
> | 2003!). Why was this not pointed out in October you may ask? A case of
> | the X-files and standards you may think.
> |
> | With Siebel the plot thickens. Finally I got to someone (19th November)
> | who seemed to know about the license issues. But ... and I know this
> | sounds like I made it up .... I finally get a response that says:
> |
> | "I should have pointed you to Oasis rather than Diane Jordan at IBM."
> |
> | Which brings me all the way back to the original email I sent to Diane
> | late in October. Now I feel like Bill Murray in "Ground Hog Day".
> |
> | It is a sad tail of how licenses and standards do not mix.
> |
> | I am now at a loss as to how to proceed. Seems like we now have a
> | deadlock. The TC chairs thinking it is the authors responsibility and
> | at least one of the authors thinking it is Oasis's responsibility.
> |
> | If anyone our there has actually succeeded in getting all 5 license
> | agreements could they share the secret of their success with the group
> | so that we may all contribute on an equal footing.
> |
> | As to what I think should be done as a minimum ... it is simple. Oasis
> | should own the contact points for such license agreements and the
> | authors should sign-up to ensuring that this sort of information is
> | sorted out *before* they start a TC so that we can play on a level
> | playing field.
> |
> | Best regards
> |
> |
> | Steve Ross-Talbot
> | Chief Scientist Enigmatec Corp.
> |
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